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Eduardo Molina
protect the data, not the device. Containers are becoming the normal thing on mobile OS and desktop OS
Dwayne Lessner
agree what containers for windows though? You consider laying == container
Eduardo Molina
sure layering is a type of containers, app-V, third party email clients
Cláudio Rodrigues
Yes but at one point protecting the data has to protect the device.
Cláudio Rodrigues
If I want to prevent people from reading an email app I must guarantee the device to lock all times. No way around that.
Barry Coombs
@crod Build the lock policy into the mail app not the device?
Eduardo Molina
it depends on what industry you are, different industries = different requirements. The CIO wants less security for him but more for everybody else #wrong approach
Cláudio Rodrigues
sure. How many apps are like that today?
Barry Coombs
@crod thats built into a number of data sharing apps already
Eduardo Molina
@crod #good #worxmail #airwatch they all have email containers to protect the data without changing the device.
Dan Brinkmann
mobile OS's have been built with containers in mind, desktop OS not so much
Alexander Ervik
The whole issue is down to is the device private or not? Company issued = okay to controll - private = you have the choice! There are policies in place from country 2 country as well...
Dan Brinkmann
too much focus on extreme methods of protecting the data while ignoring the obvious and significantly easier
Rory Monaghan
How about Spoon.net. They state they are the containers for Windows and they are Open Source, also but app containers at the moment seem to have a very specific use case
Cláudio Rodrigues
Protecting the data is not the same as what I am saying. Encrypting/sandboxing is not what I am complaining about and certain things I do not see a way around it.
Dan Brinkmann
how many of your customers use 2FA? none of this matters if the password is weak
Alexander Ervik
Spoon.net is super cool! Good call! Easy to use, doesn't promise more than it does!
Phillip Jones
@dbrinkmann Seeing it in certain verticals pretty often
Dan Brinkmann
@P2Vme you can't claim security and use AD username/password as single auth method. seeing it often too, much less than 50% though
stevegreenberg
Containers are the right architecture for simplicity and efficiency, good to see them emerging in workable form finally
Dan Brinkmann
Microsoft Rights Management has protected documents for years, how many people use that in their organization?
Eduardo Molina
@dbrinkmann the problem with MRM is that you depend on the OS implementation, not all features are in all OS mobile or desktop.
Dan Brinkmann
most security is based on identity, its a consumer / enterprise issue we all deal with and one that i hope is addressed in my lifetime
Dan Brinkmann
microsoft has published a SDK for mobile platforms, the problem is adoption, not the technology
Rory Monaghan
I think that's been the problem for decades, Dan. Microsoft tend to publish developer guidelines well in advance of making significant OS changes. Devs can't adjust quick enough or maybe they don't want to
Dan Brinkmann
I'll contend that its still a user adoption issue. it impacts the user experience and a high percent of data isn't worth it, therefore it doesn't represent enough financial incentive for organization to force it and software comp to develop to it
Rory Monaghan
One would expect that to change with so many companies paying 15 million+ for extended support on XP and the constant catch up with IE. Not forcing it is a costly endeavor, probably more so
Dan Brinkmann
obviously most companies believe that isn't true. Cash, Rules, Everything, Around, Me... C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar, dollar bill y'all
Dane Young
.@gilwood_cs just said PVS easier than MCS and no one argued. What?!?
Maxime Breda
pvs is more clear to use, no things under the hood like mcs
Cláudio Rodrigues
PVS is smart. MCS is dumb. For dumb people.
Eduardo Molina
I agree with @gilwood_cs, once you understand the big picture PVS is a lot simpler to manage and maintain.
Rory Monaghan
If you use MCS or PVS and deploy apps with App-V. Check out Bram Wolfs great App-V Scheduler tool. No large App-V Server setup required
Alexander Ervik
Agree with @crod MCS is the easy way out of mngmt of images, whereas PVS is more complex, but for a good reason!
Phillip Jones
@ervik @crod I don't see PVS as that much more complex personally...
Eduardo Molina
PVS is more complex just because it needs a couple more servers and a file share?
Cláudio Rodrigues
PVS is very simple. People make it complicated.
Eduardo Molina
@crod I agree, easier to explain linked clone updates
Maxime Breda
Pvs permit a better control on image lifecycle
Phillip Jones
VMware has a better track record with acquisitions and incorporating them than Citrix so far
Dwayne Lessner
-- who's killed off more? #negativeNanny
Cláudio Rodrigues
Not sure about that. Remember when they acquired the digital persona thing from RTO?
John Furrier
the Federation (EMC) knows how to buy and integrate
Dwayne Lessner
I was RTO customer at one time
Cláudio Rodrigues
ThinApp is another example. Never properly integrated.
Dwayne Lessner
thought it was odd App Volumes see shows as cloud volumes on the install,backwards compatibility i guess
Andrew Wood
if you're in the UK, come see the UK Citrix User Group 2nd April in Newcastle and hear about AppVolumes as one of a number of great app delivery technologies
Rory Monaghan
HP are the kinds of killing off Products. How about Dells vWorkspace, I haven't used it yet but the chatter around it makes it sound like the next coming of my boi, Jesus!
Phillip Jones
@Rorymon HP is where products go to die... haven't used vWorkspace yet either
Maxime Breda
Os management is a point, pain behind is manage all différent way to intégrate apps in os. Appv, thin app, local install, layering, app volume. Lot of techs to select
Rory Monaghan
Do you have a preference, yourself?
Maxime Breda
Yes for sure ;) for non persistent, pvs + appv. But interested by layering. For persistent, layering seems the solution.
Rory Monaghan
Even for Non-persistence layering is cool. Well, with Unidesk anyways. I guess if you own AppVolumes Standalone, it's some help but not as much
Rory Monaghan
I'm going stop mentioning Unidesk now!
Maxime Breda
Same for pvs, huge fan