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Live, round-table discussion about Hybrid IT.
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#HybriditfilesBi-Modal IT & InnovationLive, round-table discussion about Hybrid IT.
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#HybriditfilesThe Modern Data CenterLive, round-table discussion about Hybrid IT.
John Furrier
How Does Opensource Change the Dialog around #hybridcloud?
Lauren Cooney
Copying post above here: Open source is great.. but it gets expensive to maintain, etc unless you have heavy technical skills in IT organization to maintain. Look for vendors that use it in their solutions
John Furrier
#opensource is first class citizen in the enterprise
Scott Brindamour
opensource will help provide innovation, but without standards and wide adoption open source will just be a means to experiment
Kurt Milne
I agree with Lauren. Free like a free puppy. have your read many open source product docs? Awful.
John Furrier
Do you think new open source models are emerging like #OpenCore vs pure #opensource ?
John Furrier
@kurtmilne great to see you Kurt. Open is good for innovation and prototyping but it's hard to be silver bullet? Can you share your opinion on that?
Lauren Cooney
There are some amazing open source products out there... but they take awhile to mature. I remember working w/Doug (Cutting) almost 10 years ago on Hadoop when he was at Yahoo. It took awhile for full maturity.
Stuart Miniman
@lcooney enterprise IT needs solutions (rather than just components) and increasingly users want the pieces to come from open source. Users contribute and share support burden with community (of suppliers and peers).
Lauren Cooney
Look for mature, active community (Code, Docs, Dialogue) and big companies using/implementing successfully. Also look to see if your company has the skills to integrate it.
Kurt Milne
Opensource contribution by developers is equivalent of Cisco Cert for IT Ops.
Lauren Cooney
@stu fully agree. But you can't bet the farm on that early on.. do it w/smaller projects/offerings/solutions to start when you integrate. Then roll larger if works. Skills in-house so critical. Can't rely only on "vendor supported OSS"
Kurt Milne
Download. Install. Start using. is great. But to scale in production, need training, documentation, UI that fits different roles etc.
Tim Crawford
OpenSource is the raw materials. IT orgs are used to finished products. That's where providers can bridge the gap.
Kurt Milne
How do you train help desk to support 500 micro services apps?
Lauren Cooney
The one thing that is super critical wrt SaaS apps & data is lock-in.. you need to prevent it. You need to be able to have more modular solutions that can move when you want workloads to move to another vendor.
CenturyLink Business
Great advice for SaaS adoption: "Trust, but verify" @TCrawford
Wendy White
"trust but verify" - hey @TCrawford wasn't that Reagan?
John Furrier
How does the hero and realist negotiate the data equations?
Tim Crawford
Repeat after me: Data does not need to live in your own data center to be safe. #CIO #cloud
John Furrier
. @tcrawford data might be more safe at SaaS or Service Provider wrt to security of data & getting the data out
Lauren Cooney
I agree in concept.. but for example in Germany, it needs to be hosted there. So there are regulation req's
Wendy White
yes, but get it out, ensure the saas provider does not have a "god view" , etc
Lauren Cooney
@wendywhite repeat after me.. SLA. SLA ;)
John Furrier
. @tcrawford what technology accelerates both safety and speed for data mgt; flash technology, virtualizations, etc - what is there to help solve this issue
Tim Crawford
@lcooney The SLA is Dead! It's nothing more than an expectation setting document today.
John Furrier
. @tcrawford deprovisioning users from SaaS solutions is issue; if storage is free who cares? #datagovernance
Lauren Cooney
Totally disagree. SLA = money back if not met :)
Tim Crawford
@furrier That assumes it works that way. Not all do.
Lauren Cooney
SMB & SME will pay for SLA but want 99.999% - I have the data :)
Tim Crawford
@lcooney The $ you get back pales in comparison to the liability. No provider will go there.
Lauren Cooney
Agree w/last comment @TCrawford - great pt
Tim Crawford
@lcooney Even if I got 100% back, it is peanuts compared with the true loss.
John Furrier
capturing @lcooney comment below on this issue https://www.crowdcha...
Jeff Frick
> SaaS Idealist v SaaS Realist v SaaS Pessimist
Jeff Frick
> @Infor is moving many of their niche apps to SaaS, powered by @AWSCloud
http://www.youtube.c...
J Metz
Define "safe"
Jeff Frick
"Corporate Data Center is Dead" via @TCrawford
Jeff Frick
"Do we turn out the lights tomorrow, no. Should you be planning for decommission, yes"
via @TCrawford
Jeff Frick
"Open Source as raw materials, [not finished product]"
via @tcrawford
Jeff Frick
Great thought, shift security focus from compute to data.
Lauren Cooney
@TCrawford but the guidelines change.. wrt @wendywhite's comment it's really about how to morph in change & policies when security & regulatory shifts occur...
Lauren Cooney
The major issue w/integrating SaaS is actually security.. once you build it in, it's actually difficult to ensure security at the "corporate" level & requirements needed
Wendy White
i really have to agree - thinking end to end about security and privacy and compliance
Wendy White
which as a biz person i'm not always the best person at the table to have that view - need IT to help
John Furrier
. @lcooney @TCrawford says not everything needs to be regulated. Enterprise software over the years is changing from bloated to agile; #devops is key and security will have to adjust to it
Lauren Cooney
Adjustment is easy to say but hard to do. You need to ensure when you build you're looking at more modular integration techniques in order to change if req'd later
John Furrier
. @lcooney perimeter based security is failing - there is no perimeter with API and notifications - this is huge issue
Lauren Cooney
DevOps means everything to everyone now.. orgs need to define DevOps first before we just jump to saying "DevOps" solves all..
John Furrier
. @lcooney agree #devops doesn't translate to business person in a direct way. We need a playbook for business wrt #cloudops #bigdata etc
Lauren Cooney
@furrier it's that you cannot get dev teams to agree on what "DevOps" means.. I have heard this x-multiple teams in multiple co's - has nothing to do w/the biz side... the biz side needs to map to consistent "DevOps" model which IT should define
John Furrier
i would agree the buzzword bingo aspect of #devops is a problem
CenturyLink Business
Tactical SaaS applications can help with personal productivity in the Enterprise. What are some you use?
CenturyLink Business
An obvious for us is CrowdChat :)
John Furrier
Standing up "apps" is the new benchmark
David Shacochis
CrowdChat is all you need.
Lauren Cooney
Common language is easy.. it's finding the people that understand both biz & technology that you need on these projects. It's not about common language - it's also about right ppl @ table.
Tim Crawford
That is so very true. Not enough good people that understand this!
Scott Brindamour
Hear hear. Couldn't agree more @lcooney