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Tiering to Public Cloud
How to think about and manage tiering from the private data center to public cloud.
   2 years ago
#localdataManaging Billions of FilesWhat kinds of data management & backup challenges creep up when your NAS gets to billions of files?
   a year ago
#LocalDataScale-out ArchitecturesCurrent state of scale-out technologies and where we can go from here.
John Furrier
Q11: Are there financial or risk mitigation motivations for going “all in” to the cloud? Are you seeing now an increased interest in multi-cloud strategies?
John Furrier
What is #multicloud mean anyway? Can anyone define it?
Andrew Miller
#multicloud = ability to get unpredictable bills from more than one place! ;)
Mark Thiele
Multi-cloud in my opinion is the ability to deploy work as appropriate to the cloud of your choice. #localdata
jeff dinisco
smaller capital outlays make CFO's feel better
Keith Townsend
Companies are starting to ask the business continuity question. Business leaders view what AWS offers as HA. BC/DR is the ability to spread risk across providers.
John Furrier
Latency is huge issue imo
Andrew Miller
seriously though, to the degree I see #multicloud it's an app by app decision between AWS, Azure, and Google based on the characteristics of the app. Brings real operational overhead right now though...
Mark Thiele
Latency will continue to be a major driver to choices for workload location and provider.
Chris Dagdigian
yes to "risk mitigation". Honest IT shops realize today that Google/MS/AWS can deliver far more reliability/uptime than on-premise. Years of excacale engineering on hostile networks pay real dividends
John Furrier
@mthiele10 do you mean some workloads on one cloud other workloads on others? silo'd?
Stuart Miniman
IT is always additive, we are seeing companies choosing different clouds (including on-premises) for different functionality/SLA/cost - result is multi-cloud.
Mark Thiele
I don't see it as silo'd. I see it as distributed risk combined with the ability to leverage best of any given cloud for work purpose.
I am John White
Multi-cloud is a must. It is like saying you are only going to buy your groceries from Costco. Sucks to drive 10 miles just to get a gallon of milk.
Andrew Miller
back to the "all eggs in one basket" concern. It might not just be #multicloud but at least multi-region since both #multicloud and multi-region require serious work by the customer.
Chris Harney
I see it more of a multi SaaS
Mark Thiele
In my opinion multi-cloud "complexity" depends on deployment and management tools/strategy.
Keith Townsend
@johna_white Worse is that your people are only trained how to buy milk from Costco. If there's a shift in the business relationship it could be difficult to impossible to shift to a different provider.
Andrew Miller
multi-cloud still hard given difference in API's/services - if using the services/API's to get real development acceleration, there's now sunk cost from a development perspective
Mark Thiele
@andriven I love that term "all eggs in one basket" wrote a blog with that in the title for cloud about 5 years ago. :)
John Furrier
@CTOAdvisor That's why supermarkets are always moving the milk and eggs around so you get lost to buy more other stuff :-)
Keith Townsend
@andriven Plug for Rubrik. It doesn't seem hard for that type of application. At scale for all other data center apps yes. But for your specific use case, not so much a technical hurdle.
John Furrier
@mthiele10 share that link that would be great Mark
I am John White
Supermarkets = Regional MSP/CSP
John Furrier
@johna_white whole foods :-) couldn't resist
Stuart Miniman
@johna_white I think that Amazon heard a grocery store analogy for cloud, and that led to the Whole Foods acquisition 😳
Mark Thiele
Here's the link to my "All eggs in one basket" blog ; https://gigaom.com/2...
I am John White
I wonder if they will have snow mobile parking?
Andrew Miller
@CTOAdvisor Thanks. :) I try to keep it at a architecture/conceptual level in these conversations to be a good citizen....but appreciate it and agree.
Stephen Pao
@csharney Agree that there's lots of O365 and salesforce.com SaaS usage, forcing some multi-PaaS, too!
John Furrier
Kubernetes = DoorDash
Andrew Miller
@stu I think of it as building the stack higher and higher and eventually some of the lower layers collapse together due to the increasing operational weight of the upper layers and lack of differentiation that we care about on the lower layers.
Mark Thiele
We see a variety of multi-cloud use case models in our customers - Specific capability I.e., Analytics on GCP and distributed for performance, risk, price
Andrew Miller
@andriven What's a bit sad is when you have a great product in the lower layers of the stack that is differentiated but no one cares about differentiation in that category anymore.
Andrew Miller
@mthiele10 Will have to look up that blog post :)
Mark Thiele
@andriven It's old now, but the theory of why is still true. Thanks.
JP Morgenthal
I just started writing a blog on multi-cloud this morning. There are risks due to businesses not having proper op model for 1 cloud let alone 2 or more
Keith Townsend
@mthiele10 with the network and interconnect becoming a critical part to select best of breed in designing an end to end business solution. The network is multi-cloud glue!
Chris Harney
@andriven Agreed that API's are key
John Furrier
Q3: What applications are driving hybrid cloud use cases? Backup? Archival? Cloud bursting?
Stephen Pao
Cloud bursting is definitely one. Elastic compute in cloud, long term storage in datacenter.
Chris Dagdigian
federated ID management across multi-organizations , bursting, backup and cost reduction (by moving systems out of managed service provider claws)
jeff dinisco
just working with a VFX house who had their busiest pilot season ever, bought zero new gear, burst to cloud for everything
Andrew Miller
Absolutely Archive with Backup a close second - are seeing lots of customers replace tape with cloud archives. Cloud Bursting is great in theory but still really hard in practice given the weight of data and LAN vs. WAN speeds.
Andrew Miller
Also seeing test/dev drive it...spot pricing on AWS can even help there. This works given an underlying mechanism to move data around and leverage EC2/Azure instances on the fly.
Stephen Pao
Backup is an easy way to get started with #hybridcloud. On-premises secondary copies, with tiering to cloud.
jeff dinisco
@andriven agree cloud bursting is a huge challenge, also think if you can make it happen, it provides the most obvious value
Andrew Miller
There's dreams around DR but still automation/orchestration to be worked out there - it's variable across the space how much is baked out there.
John Furrier
All three but bursting has broader use cases that drive variable revenue. backup and archival must be standard so it's a hard decision different both valuable use cases
Keith Townsend
I think archive and backup is a dominant use case. I'm not sure for how long. Enterprises will figure out Object storage and offer a comparable cost to cloud based storage.
Stephen Pao
Archive in hybrid cloud is real. Just needs to be paired with analytics to understand what might need to be retrieved.
Andrew Miller
@dinisco Absolutely agree - there's huge potential value/market there that no one has truly unlocked yet.
Keith Townsend
But you have to think beyond the IaaS layer. SAP is a good example. Cloud hosted enterprise apps make sense as cloud providers show greater ability to support the app than the enterprise. SAP in the cloud, bolt on in the private DC.
Chris Dagdigian
I'm starting to see an interesting edge case where people arbitrage against discounted bandwidth from the cloud providers. For instance US-Europe connectivity between branch offices may be cheaper routed through an AWS transit VPC
Andrew Miller
@CTOAdvisor There are even some providers (Cerner for instance) that will host just not just their own app but specific other apps that integrate closely or need to be at LAN speeds to the core app.
Stuart Miniman
@steve_pao cloud-bursting? please explain/defend, because moving data is challenging
Keith Townsend
Obviously Saleforce dominates the conversation. How many data center managers are building operations based on SF integration?
jeff dinisco
@CTOAdvisor totally agree, very ez to demonstrate the value of SaaS that works, IaaS is harder
Stephen Pao
@CTOAdvisor Agree with integrating IaaS layer with apps. Azure get more interesting because of Azure AD + O365.
Keith Townsend
@andriven All of the serious providers are offering colocation of the ecosystem of enterprise apps.
Andrew Miller
@CTOAdvisor Hosted @Epic hosted @cerner - there's a long list...
Stephen Pao
@CTOAdvisor Yes. Amazing how even condo HOA's use prem.force.com!
John Furrier
@CTOAdvisor great point about vertical cloud bc that speaks to hybrid use cases expanding imho
Keith Townsend
IaaS becomes an enablement for legacy software providers to remain relevant. Elastic compute allows for a business model where they run software they write for the customer with heavy capital investment.
John Furrier
@CTOAdvisor I would add to that also by saying moving from large capital investments to operational model key transition factor