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Spawning a new hybrid cloud
Beyond just moving legacy apps to the public cloud what about bringing cloud services to #LocalData?
   3 years ago
#LocalDataWhen data can’t move offsiteCommunity discussion and strategies for managing data can’t or won’t move to the public cloud.
   2 years ago
#localdataManaging Billions of FilesWhat kinds of data management & backup challenges creep up when your NAS gets to billions of files?
John Furrier
Q3) Technical Discussion: describe technical implementation of hybrid clouds you are seeing. What components are involved?
Nick Kirsch
Have we agreed on what it means to be "hybrid cloud"? :P
I am John White
Utilization of NSX to create a layer 2 bridge over public WAN. This allows for the private network in the local DC to extend to the cloud/datacenter.
James Green
WAN accelerators. Like @cakeis_not_alie said recently, bandwidth is a huge challenge for some if not many
Keith Townsend @ Home for a couple of weeks
Hybrid Cloud (Private + Public) is still a thing? I don't buy it. I see Hybrid Infrastructure but but not integrated cloud services across public and private. Now cross cloud? I see the desire.
I am John White
@CTOAdvisor Private and public hybrid for DRaaS makes a ton of sense. No point in paying full price for resources you will rarely use.
John Furrier
Great point Nick: hybrid is just private and public connected imo; there is no product sku it's an architecture of connecting on prem to off prem (other peoples resources like aws)
Tim Crawford
In sum, it's all over the map. That may be a consequence of the number and variety of types of orgs.
Stephen Pao
@nkirsch GREAT point. Even AWS had two definition of #hybridcloud. Lift & shift of old stuff ala VMware to AWS vs. bringing #TrueCloud to #LocalData.
Keith Townsend @ Home for a couple of weeks
I'm very interested in AzureStack as a holy grail for Hybrid Cloud if there's a business driver for the technology of Pubice + Private Cloud.
Chris Dagdigian
(1) Identity management (active directory), (2) federated identity management (SAML2) , (3) direct connectivity to remote cloud (VPN or DirectConnect), (4) Hardcore logging, (5) constant processing of log, API and security event details
John Furrier
@CTOAdvisor agree connecting cross resource (clouds and onprem) is what people think hybrid is but there is not product for that it's a deployment. It's like asking what is devops
Bryan Champagne
DRaaS is the biggest request that we are seeing for hybrid at this point
Tim Crawford
@CTOAdvisor AzureStack is the only pure-play Hybrid Cloud solution. There are derivatives, but not the same.
Keith Townsend @ Home for a couple of weeks
@johna_white Is that hybrid infrastructure? I'm backing up my Private Cloud to Public Cloud. API's be damned?
Nick Kirsch
I see some users of caching technology - e.g. Avere - for leveraging file systems for hybrid.
Aaron Cardenas
Most of the hybrid clouds we see utilize "cloud spill" technology via the on-prem infrastructure. e gateway maarket seems to
John Furrier
random question on this topic: impact of blockchain if any or not at all per @chris_dag point above
Tim Crawford
Hybrid cloud presents an opportunity for enterprises to onboard to #cloud by reducing risk and streamlining processes.
Chris Dagdigian
hybrid cloud is technically real but there are a lot of fake vendor contrived demos and use cases. Bandwidth is the real obstacle as the gravitational weight of data makes multi-site computing hard. As bandwidth increases, hybrid cloud gets real
Nick Kirsch
@nkirsch I also see users of tiering technology - e.g. "CloudPools" - for capacity file systems.
Stuart Miniman
@chris_dag great list - I'd add license management and data integration #iPaaS
Aaron Cardenas
The gateway market seems to be sucking wind
Tim Crawford
IMHO: Blockchain will be huge in the enterprise. However, it needs to evolve and the ecosystem grow.
I am John White
@CTOAdvisor That opens a whole new can of worms on defining cloud. If you are simply using basic VM's then, yes.
Nick Kirsch
@nkirsch But neither of those models bring the application forward in time; there are strong limits to the approach.
Chris Dagdigian
agree on definition of hybrid cloud. NOBODY runs openstack or whatever on-premise in serious way. My hybrid cloud = on prem infrastructure direct connected to remote public IaaS cloud
John Furrier
@chris_dag bandwidth costs are brutal esp on AWS according to some big deployments. also latency between peering points creates hidden costs and technical debt
Tim Crawford
Another vote for DRaaS as a significant opportunity for enterprises WRT public cloud.
Keith Townsend @ Home for a couple of weeks
I think we conflate private the infrastructure for Cloud. We will always have private infrastructure that integrates with Public Cloud. But enterprises aren't interested in Private Cloud that integrates with Public Cloud IMO.
I am John White
@tcrawford What about snowball? run one of those long term and that provides you a hybrid function, right?
Stuart Miniman
@jdgreen SD-WAN and security are what I hear as opportunities from the networking community to deliver on hybrid cloud
Tim Crawford
@chris_dag It appears that OpenStack is quickly becoming marginalized to specific use-cases.
Keith Townsend @ Home for a couple of weeks
@tcrawford the pain is building the private side of it. I think it's why we both are high on AzureStack.
John Furrier
@tcrawford I'm doing a blockchain open federated model with this app, siliconangle, wikibon, and thecube sites to open up the userbase for all to use
Tim Crawford
@johna_white You're sipping on the Kool-Aid. Specific use-cases, maybe...but probably not.
James Green
@CTOAdvisor Hmm this is a really interesting point. Aren't there still purely economic reasons to span the two?
Chris Dagdigian
the onsite/on-premise private clouds have not lived up to vendor claims about operational burden and setup effort. Still insanely hard to do at 1 site let alone 3+. They also can't innovate as fast as Azure/AWS/Google are moving
I am John White
@CTOAdvisor If you pay per GB RAM, CPU, GB Disk.... and it is infrastructure only is it cloud too? Someone elses computer with a monthly finance model.
Tim Crawford
@CTOAdvisor There are so many challenges and it seems so few of us understand them.
Keith Townsend @ Home for a couple of weeks
Or will AWS take away every excuse to have privately managed infrastructure. SnowBall Edge is interesting in the peaking into the future of AWS.
Tim Crawford
Theoretical is not the same as reality. //@ctoadvisor
ConsumingML
to me it now comes to what are the use cases for Hybrid Cloud and those are.
Dave Vellante
@jdgreen you'd think so-- same operating model cuts IT labor costs, speeds agility, lowers risk (e.g. supports exit strategies)
I am John White
@tcrawford hahaha Not really a kool aid drinker but it poses a future position that could be hybrid.
Deepak Mohan
@chris_dag do you see managed private clouds reducing the barrier to setup/operation of private clouds? we're seeing strong adoption of these among mid market enterprises.
Gina Minks
hybrid is interesting when you include SaaS, how many companies that will never "go to the cloud" run salesforce?
Tim Crawford
@johna_white I still think Snowball presents an interesting opportunity...but not for the obvious reasons.
Chris Dagdigian
@dpk_mohan biggest need for managed private clouds is so that a pro outfit does the security work and "safety guardrails" - with that in place I can turn over tons of control to developers/users which is the huge ROI win
ConsumingML
@CTOAdvisor Snowball Edge seems like a very expensive way to do local processing. I get the idea just wonder about the cost effectiveness.
Tim Crawford
In many cases, Hosted Private Cloud is more attractive than an on-premises Private Cloud.
Keith Townsend @ Home for a couple of weeks
@johna_white which we rarely do on the Private side. Chargeback is really, really hard. It has to be part of the corporate culture.
Chris Dagdigian
@dpk_mohan also we need pro managed cloud partners to help with cost optimization in addition to the security/guardrail work
Tim Crawford
@Grant_Case It is only for specific use-cases where backhauling the data is not feasible. //@ctoadvisor
I am John White
@CTOAdvisor ahh, ok. It is something we provide as a SP and we have started to see others as well. So it could be a geography thing.
Deepak Mohan
@chris_dag true, thats a growing opportunity area