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John Furrier

biggest will be simplicity for developers in the enterprise not just pure public cloud

agreed - DevOps is for everyone not just the "cool" Cloud guys

containers!

@furrier agreed - DevOps is for everyone not just the "cool" Cloud guys

Scaling, and I think as companies scale it they realise how many different areas really need to change, Then DevOps starts to feel like the wrong name DecOpsSecFinanceBusinessHR etc

. @missoheel 2014 - What is this DevOps thing? 2015 - Year of the PoC. 2016 - Year of larger scale enterprise transformation.

. @missoheel Tech wise, cloud, containers, microservices, infrastructure automation entering mainstream

Andrew Howard

@benjaminwootton It's the question we get asked all the time: how do we scale this and do it right across the company

@Ben_Grinnell http://enterprisedev...

increasing focus on multi-discipline engagement in the approach. i.e. audit or security or resilience.

Also, stepping away from the bi-modal view of the world, and increasing focus on the specific platform

@archbish for all the flaws in bi-model, I think we are still going to see more people properly embracing a faster speed and starting their journies. Grokking DevOps and CD is rising rapidly.

.@markosrendell: Quite frankly, I think bi-modal IT is a convenient way to view the world; doesn't change reality, but it stops people from being scared of "10 deploys/day" on SAP systems.

Andrew Howard

@markosrendell this year grokking is going to take off. Next year everyone will be saying it.

@RealGeneKim it's a bit like a DevOps team - both a fast speed of IT and a DevOps Team can serve a valuable if only temporary purpose, but they do need to be used with caution.

I loved this slide on bi-modal IT from @KrisSaxton: https://www.evernote...

@RealGeneKim but you can't see the motorbike, skateboard and unicycle that are already so far in the distance they are out of shot.

@RealGeneKim Good points - the risk with Bi-modal is the DevOps principles and practices can still be applied in context of the application, but aren't explored due to the platform statuts

DevOps Enterprise Summit53

Is there a flaw at the heart of bimodal #IT?? http://jezhumble.com...

The Flaw at the Heart of Bimodal IT - Continuous Delivery
Gartner’s “Bimodal” IT model has taken the world of enterprise IT by storm. Gartner defines Bimodal IT as “the practice of managing two separate, coherent modes of IT delivery, one focused on stability and the other on agility. Mode 1 is traditional ...

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Easy to kick Gartner but I quite like bi-modal. If you are a CIO with hundreds of apps, it makes sense to harvest some off into fast moving digital systems rather than trying to containerise-continuous-deliverify your mainframe.

Take some of the principles across the estate, but bi-modal gives us a license to rethink the digital apps at least.

Jatil Damania

I've seen organizations love this concept, but it comes back to @RealGeneKim earlier post - things only move as fast as the slowest part, so you don't get the full benefits with both modes unless you can de-couple

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.@benjaminwootton: I agree that bi-modal IT helps us understand the world, but I think "uni-modal IT" is reality

@Jatild +1 on Decouple, that is the hard part where digital apps tied into legacy.

I think its a good way to get round some of the blockers initially, but as you scale it gives alot of the traditional IT folk an out.

Jatil Damania

@RealGeneKim I like the uni-modal term - the right pace for the right apps

@benjaminwootton agreed Ben. There is a time and a place for Agile, CD etc. There is also a place for Waterfall as much as it pains me to say

Robyn Crummer-Olson

@benjaminwootton "containerise-continuous-deliverify" is officially the word of the day

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Quite a few companies I look at have some great devOps practices delivering real efficiency across 5% of their IT spend, and their hemmed in by bi-modal

Andy Moose

They also have to constantly battle a different culture that over times wears them down and they get fatigued.

Josh Atwell - 60% Productivity

Bi-modal is a mirage. If you don't immediately begin applying the efficiencies of the agile to more traditional frameworks you'll fail.

One of great #DOES16 London talks is @dhague, giving talk about DevOps for SAP at SAP!

Here's a link to @dhague amazing PPT about reducing lead times for SAP from 9 months to 1 week: https://www.youtube....

Gene Kim51

What has been the biggest surprise in your DevOps journey?

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good question!

that every furiously agrees that it's the right thing to do, yet find it so hard to execute...

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the differing attitudes of people towards change - amazing to see such a contrast

.@FletcherJofanon What was the biggest difference in attitude towards change?

#DOES19 London

@archbish good points

. @RealGeneKim Even though enterprise IT has a bad reputation, most people are genuinely good and motivated internally. Its the system and processes we fore people to operate within that kills velocity and innovation

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@DOESsummitEU thanks - I think it's either the size of the problem, or defining a path to the solution... but it is a struggle!

that we are in all in it together - speed, security, quality, cost control etc - these are all our jobs

@benjaminwootton I agree to a point. The tech community have an obligation to apply their expertise, and if they don't stand up and push the agenda, it won't get done...

@benjaminwootton that and someone needs to put their head above the parapet and try and change things. Not everyone is a) motivated or b) incentivised to that

Catapult PR

@archbish great point!

The fact that people don't think they should try to apply it everywhere possible. Where wouldn't smaller more frequent less risky deployments that are easier to fix when they go wrong be a good thing

.@Ben_Grinnell You're right; especially when halving batch size is actually quite an easy decision to make

Gene Kim48

Okay, I'll ask: what's so bad about putting "DevOps" in job titles or in resumes/CVs?

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Love it - DevOps is an activity and deep specialism so why not

Putting "devops" in job titles/CVs helps link supply and demand; lots of talent needed

Need someone responsible for it and engineers responsible for the tech pieces as distinct from developers/operations

CI/CD, Infrastructure Automation, Containers, Cloud Automation - there's a full time gig in that nowadays and we call it DEVOPS :)

nothing as long as you understand and have contributed towards DevOps and not because you are just trying to add a buzzword

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not bad in my head. Provided the person doing it cares about what they think DevOps represents.

See this from a while ago http://devops.com/20...

The definition of DevOps means so many things, how do you interpret what they mean by this. If you put 30 people in a room, you'll get 31 definitions...

Rob Nelson

I tend to think "Does this mean the person's output was DevOps?" which is mostly not the case. Titles that reflect what you output are better, IMO.

Rob Nelson

Otherwise the lack of a shared and accurate vernacular around the word DevOps often leads to confusion between the interviewer and interviewee

I generally advise to give someone a mandate for DevOps, e.g. Head Of DevOps and then a DevOps team and DevOps engineers. Those who expect it to emerge are often dissapointed.

I prefer the idea that we are bringing DevOps principles and practices to the whole (or as much as possible) of the IT organisation. Identifying some people as being "DevOps" leads people to believe that only they practice DevOps

Josh Atwell - 60% Productivity

I think this is the key thing. shows supply/demand. I do often find them a bit disingenuous though

Josh Atwell - 60% Productivity

@benjaminwootton sure, we call it that now, but I was doing it years ago and it was just being a good engineer. :-)