IBMOTS

Open Technology Summit Preview
A discussion on trends and topics in open technology.
   8 years ago
#IBMOTS#IBMOTS: Future of Open TechA preview of the Open Technology Summit at IBM InterConnect.
IBM Cloud
In what ways you see the Cloud Foundry, Docker, Kubernetes, Mesos and OpenStack projects competing? Or is the relationship between them more complementary?
Chris Ferris
I'd say "complex" - the reality is that while they all achieve similar things, they do with different POVs
Chris Ferris
Cloud Foundry can support Docker and has embraced OCI's runC
Chris Ferris
CNCF has discussed value of CF's service broker APIs
Brian Gracely
lots of competing for developer resources, and often confusing the market about where they should invest in learning/adopting the technologies.
Daniel Berg
This is the exact area that I pointed out that we need harmonization within the community.
Chris Ferris
Mesos can host a variety of schedulers
Chris Ferris
it's turtles all the way down
Brian Gracely
none of them come with "built in operations" which is still a huge barrier to adoption. public cloud adoption of these technologies will help resolve that challenge (to some extent).
Sam Ramji
They are all influencing each other. Containers have been part of Cloud Foundry since 2011. Docker containers run on CF and CF runs on OpenStack.
Sam Ramji
This kind of points back to the other question about cooperation and competition in foundations https://www.crowdcha...
Ruben Orduz
they complement each other in some respects and compete in others. I don't think there's a simple A vs. B type of rivalry.
Sam Ramji
Competition is essential for progress. Kubernetes is very different from Cloud Foundry but targets a similar audience. The two projects exert influence on each other as a result.
Sam Ramji
@bgracely Can you expand on that? What would “built in operations” look like in this context?
Rich Hintz
@sramji Just to say, before @bgracely responds, that I'm not sure you'd want built in ops. Having ops outboard allows more flexibility, especially in fast evolving areas. Look at the Hasicorp model, for instance, where the products are related, but fairly
Rich Hintz
@rjhintz (oops) fairly loosely coupled
John Furrier
the Developer will find the "signal from the noise". Devs run from marketing hype
Sam Ramji
Mesos is showing up as a platform for stateful services; that’s a complement to Cloud Foundry’s elastic runtime for applications, and CF also has BOSH - a platform for stateful services.
Brian Gracely
@sramji I mean that the new technology is all cool, but very few people know how to operate it, so adoption in private environments significantly lags adoption in public environments.
Bernard Golden
@IBMCloud It's text configuration files all the way down
Rich Hintz
@bgracely Well, a lot of projects come with batteries included. Yes, there's an awareness issue. Means CIOs need to actually make decisions.
Bernard Golden
The biggest barrier for most users is not choosing among the different orchestration choices, it's understanding orchestration itself and its implications. At least in my experience.
Rich Hintz
@bernardgolden I'd agree with this. There's a precursor step that the organization silos have to cooperate to achieve a common understanding
Bernard Golden
Also, some of the platforms assume a working Agile/CI system is in place so that they can properly operate. Most mainstream IT orgs are still struggling to get their arms around this process.
Bernard Golden
Of course, one can run one of these platforms with handcrafted containers created by a developer, but then one is orchestrating a hot mess.
Rich Hintz
@bernardgolden or having tests, appropriate tests, automated tests, fast feedback from testing, understanding blockers for CI...
Sam Ramji
@bernardgolden As you point out, there are two issues there - one is having a CI system, and the other is adapting your team and process to use it.
Rich Hintz
@sramji Right, you can't just overlay CI wonderfulness on a dysfunctional, siloed dev-->deploy process
Brian Gracely
Open projects like Cloud Foundry have talked a lot about digital business transformation. Can anyone (e.g. @sramji) give us a sense of the economic impact that this has made for Cloud Foundry customers to-date? Or other projects?
Sam Ramji
We’re doing economic research on the impact of Cloud Foundry this year. It’s non-trivial to untangle.
Sam Ramji
McKinsey Global Institute and the MIT Institute for Digital Enterprise are doing great work in this area.
Jerry Cuomo
Cloud Foundry has provide a fabric for grand scale economic impact. Look at what IBM is doing with Waston Services in #IBMBluemix IBM's congnative strategy
Jerry Cuomo
Cloud Foundry has provided a fabric for grand scale economic impact. Look at what IBM is doing with Waston Services in #IBMBluemix, which are core toIBM's cognitive strategy
Jeffrey Borek
Another interesting project to watch is #Swagger wrt API documentation & standardization
Sam Ramji
@jeffborek True. Unfortunately they didn’t contribute the #Swagger trademark to the open source project, which is a serious concern.
Sam Ramji
@jeffborek So for now we should call it the “Open API Initiative” which is less catchy :) https://openapis.org
Dave Lindquist
@JerryCuomo Cloud Foundry in #IBMBluemix has been critical to our Mobile services as well, like ibm presence insights
IBM Cloud
How will we see the role of the foundation shift in the coming months/years? Are we still seeing foundation players cooperating on interoperability and competing on execution?
Sam Ramji
Foundations are growing in popularity as a way to manage collaboration and competition. They provide stability in the middle of wild markets like containers.
Amy Hermes
Loved the "role of the foundation" podcast from @christo4ferris & @CloudOfCaroline -> bit.ly/1QHL4Bb
Sam Ramji
There will be more of that talk at Interconnect on @duncanjw’s panel
Brian Gracely
it's still a mixed scorecard on foundations. Linux and Cloud Foundry have done well recently, but OpenStack and some others less so. All depends on how much vendors dictate the agenda vs. community-driven goals.
Sam Ramji
We’re definitely seeing interop and execution at the same time. Not just in Cloud Foundry, but in CNCF and OCI - look at Docker and CoreOS.
Amy Hermes
"Are we headed for Foundation Fatigue" is going to be a GREAT #ibminterconnect panel w/ @sramji @tcrawford @e_monty @duncanjw
Chris Ferris
inter-dependencies and conflicts between projects is a complex fabric - I really like when I see collaboration
Dave Lindquist
@sramji which is a sign of a healthy ecosystem. it's great to see the breadth of contributions and still see the competition
Jerry Cuomo
With #blockchain foundation members also provide a venue for readiness... we all will make sure that an open ledger is ready for 100 years of transactions!
Sam Ramji
It’s funny, we use the word “ecosystem” which we borrow from biology and perhaps think it means “peaceful”. Ecosystems in nature are quite violent. @d_lindquist
Jerry Cuomo
at #ibminterconnect we are going to breakdown the new linux #blockchain project and demo blockchain on @IBMCloud
Chris Ferris
@sramji but they achieve equilibrium for extended periods
Brian Gracely
@sramji agreed. people sweep "coopetition" under the rug as if it's a peaceful co-existence. it adds a 50% tax to all partnerships and interactions.
Sam Ramji
@christo4ferris Yes… after the expansion and die-off phases!
Rich Hintz
@bgracely Linux Foundation dropping community representation seems a step backwards