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John Furrier
How Does Opensource Change the Dialog around #hybridcloud?
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Lauren Cooney
Copying post above here: Open source is great.. but it gets expensive to maintain, etc unless you have heavy technical skills in IT organization to maintain. Look for vendors that use it in their solutions
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John Furrier
#opensource is first class citizen in the enterprise
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Scott Brindamour
opensource will help provide innovation, but without standards and wide adoption open source will just be a means to experiment
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Kurt Milne
I agree with Lauren. Free like a free puppy. have your read many open source product docs? Awful.
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John Furrier
Do you think new open source models are emerging like #OpenCore vs pure #opensource ?
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John Furrier
@kurtmilne great to see you Kurt. Open is good for innovation and prototyping but it's hard to be silver bullet? Can you share your opinion on that?
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Lauren Cooney
There are some amazing open source products out there... but they take awhile to mature. I remember working w/Doug (Cutting) almost 10 years ago on Hadoop when he was at Yahoo. It took awhile for full maturity.
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Stuart Miniman
@lcooney enterprise IT needs solutions (rather than just components) and increasingly users want the pieces to come from open source. Users contribute and share support burden with community (of suppliers and peers).
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Lauren Cooney
Look for mature, active community (Code, Docs, Dialogue) and big companies using/implementing successfully. Also look to see if your company has the skills to integrate it.
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Kurt Milne
Opensource contribution by developers is equivalent of Cisco Cert for IT Ops.
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Lauren Cooney
@stu fully agree. But you can't bet the farm on that early on.. do it w/smaller projects/offerings/solutions to start when you integrate. Then roll larger if works. Skills in-house so critical. Can't rely only on "vendor supported OSS"
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Kurt Milne
Download. Install. Start using. is great. But to scale in production, need training, documentation, UI that fits different roles etc.
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Tim Crawford
OpenSource is the raw materials. IT orgs are used to finished products. That's where providers can bridge the gap.
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Kurt Milne
How do you train help desk to support 500 micro services apps?
John Furrier
Love this next topic what does the future of enterprise software look like ? Is there a future for installed software
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John Furrier
No there is no future for older software models; It's a race to fully cloud imho
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Lauren Cooney
Microservices... smaller & more modular, flexible solutions.. a la container movement :)
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John Furrier
The word "Stand Up" is the fundamental #software model for enterprise; Standup = installed #datacenter #devops #socialbusines
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Kurt Milne
definite maybe. Micro services approach shifts the complexity from inside the app to between the services. Not sure this scales in enterprise env.
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John Furrier
Can we all agree SOA is the model but no one will admit it was the same concept from 10yrs ago
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Lauren Cooney
Define cloud... public, private, hybrid & use for what? Parsing cloud is so key.. goal is to get "what is goal of biz & reqs for tech" and then make call on "cloud" or other
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Wendy White
no one will use that term - but it is that
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John Furrier
Challenge is integrated stacks, apps, data, etc is the mega trend - microservice, SOA etc is why it's hard to grok for many
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John Furrier
@TCrawford talks about shifting from #datacenter mindset to the developer focus then make the decision from there
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Lauren Cooney
SDN is actually SOA - so many commonalities w/concepts.. SOA is key - loosely coupled, etc etc.. It's still the end-goal but advanced SOA techniques I'd say
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Kurt Milne
take a three tier app and break into 15 services. Easier to manage? In some ways yes. In some ways no. If you need meetings between service owners to discuss potential changes? Easier?
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Kurt Milne
If you can never depreciate a features/service once exposed via API? Easier?
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Kurt Milne
You can tap external service providers for key non-differentiating services. Definitely better.
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Lauren Cooney
@kurtmilne I fully agree. Don't container-ize it all.. but look to where you can optimize & where you will need to shift certain apps = key to automate/prevent lock-in
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Kurt Milne
For 2 pizza team single app firms - microservies is great. For Global 50 with 5000+ app portfolio? Not sure
Tim Crawford
Repeat after me: Data does not need to live in your own data center to be safe. #CIO #cloud
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John Furrier
. @tcrawford data might be more safe at SaaS or Service Provider wrt to security of data & getting the data out
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Lauren Cooney
I agree in concept.. but for example in Germany, it needs to be hosted there. So there are regulation req's
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Wendy White
yes, but get it out, ensure the saas provider does not have a "god view" , etc
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Lauren Cooney
@wendywhite repeat after me.. SLA. SLA ;)
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John Furrier
. @tcrawford what technology accelerates both safety and speed for data mgt; flash technology, virtualizations, etc - what is there to help solve this issue
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Tim Crawford
@lcooney The SLA is Dead! It's nothing more than an expectation setting document today.
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John Furrier
. @tcrawford deprovisioning users from SaaS solutions is issue; if storage is free who cares? #datagovernance
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Lauren Cooney
Totally disagree. SLA = money back if not met :)
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Tim Crawford
@furrier That assumes it works that way. Not all do.
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Lauren Cooney
SMB & SME will pay for SLA but want 99.999% - I have the data :)
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Tim Crawford
@lcooney The $ you get back pales in comparison to the liability. No provider will go there.
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Lauren Cooney
Agree w/last comment @TCrawford - great pt
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Tim Crawford
@lcooney Even if I got 100% back, it is peanuts compared with the true loss.
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John Furrier
capturing @lcooney comment below on this issue https://www.crowdcha...
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Jeff Frick
> SaaS Idealist v SaaS Realist v SaaS Pessimist
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Jeff Frick
> @Infor is moving many of their niche apps to SaaS, powered by @AWSCloud
http://www.youtube.c...
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J Metz
Define "safe"
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Jeff Frick
"Corporate Data Center is Dead" via @TCrawford
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Jeff Frick
"Do we turn out the lights tomorrow, no. Should you be planning for decommission, yes"
via @TCrawford
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Jeff Frick
"Open Source as raw materials, [not finished product]"
via @tcrawford
Tim Crawford
Is the SaaS realist or SaaS heroes gaining ground?
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John Furrier
. @tcrawford SaaS heros are folks who can deliver value fast "standing up" value is a #cloud concept moving into a business realm
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Tim Crawford
Key for the hero are the wider use case with quick adoption.
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Wendy White
so my marketing org specific apps is not a hero?
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John Furrier
Great point highlighting the "shadow it" angle is a double edge sword
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Wendy White
what makes it shadow if the biz unit needs it?
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John Furrier
. @tcrawford love that comment from Dave all great stuff (most at least) have come from "shadow IT" - yes it's called innovation
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Scott Brindamour
Shadow IT = going around internal IT @tcrawford @brindamourScott
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John Furrier
. @sandhillstrat yes innovation can be "dysfunctional" in a good way = shadowIT
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Tim Crawford
There is an issue with innovation rate going to far too fast too.
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Scott Brindamour
Shadow IT = getting work done that aligns to real business goals
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John Furrier
Difference between being "rogue" vs "innovative" that is the ShadowIT challenge
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Tim Crawford
Yes, there is a difference between rogue & innovative. Balance is needed.
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Wendy White
@furrier as a champion of a few SaaS apps in my org, I say its innovative - not sure what role IT would have played
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Scott Brindamour
and we know how business units are goal and results driven
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John Furrier
. @tcrawford points out "understanding how and why it's taking place (re: shadowIT) is a business issue to solve problem"
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John Furrier
. @tcrawford yes balancing a command and control vs organic innovation - best of both world - cloud makes it possible