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James Maguire
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Chris Ehrlich
Great chat! Thanks, James!
Daniel Graves
Great comments from all the participants, agree with was excellent.
Carolyn Duby
Great lively discussion! Thanks to the panelists and host!
Dan Griffith
Thanks James & panelists - this was great fun!
James Maguire
@CarolynDuby Thanks Carolyn for your insight!
James Maguire
@dangit_hub Hey Dan so glad you could make it!
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
Thank you James for having us. For some extra reading, @HitachiVantara and ESG just published a blog on #Multicloud Architectures...https://htchivantara.is/3uThww6
https://htchivantara.is/3uThww6
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James Maguire
@KPHariHitachi Thanks KP! Glad you participated!
James Maguire
Q9. Final question: What else is important about multicloud computing – what else should companies be aware of?
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
A9: With more clouds and applications to manage, automating observability and establishing visibility and control is important.
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
A9: Multicloud helps resiliency, but doesn’t guarantee reliability. How you develop and manage your workloads across your multicloud architecture is as important to ensuring reliability and controlling costs.
James Maguire
@KPHariHitachi No doubt that "automating observability" will be huge going forward.
Marc Linster
A9 Vendor lock-in is real. Companies adhered to standards (SQL, JSON, web services) to achieve software vendor independence; they must stick with software that is universally available, like open source, to protect their cloud flexibility and stay in control
Dan Griffith
A9: Don't limit your multicloud strategy to "just" hyperscalers. Look at the whole IT estate as one ecosystem, where advancing cloud native capabilities in any domain, on any platform, is beneficial to the ecosystem at large

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digitalmarks
A9: Wherever possible, strongly consider taking a greenfield approach with respect to design and development targeted for multi-cloud deployment. Doing so will instill both benefits and a discipline that will serve your team and your business for a long time to come.
Chris Ehrlich
A9: Seeing multicloud as a true solution-first strategy, tapping into the best of each vendor and finding true partners
Carolyn Duby
@KPHariHitachi A9: You raise an important issue about business continuity. The tools are there but you need to use them properly.
Carolyn Duby
A9: It's all about data delivering value to the organization. Technology is a tool to deliver the value.
James Maguire
Q8. The future of multicloud? Where will we be in 3-5 years?
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
A8: Multicloud will be the future of enterprise cloud computing, and we will continue to see double-digit growth in consumption.
digitalmarks
A8: The future of multi-cloud is one where more powerful abstractions (e.g. serverless) allow for more sophisticated strategies. As we’ve seen with other tech paradigms the increased sophistication will make it easier for some and more challenging for others.
Marc Linster
A8 Cloud vendor independence is key - nobody wants to repeat the commercial software mistakes of the past. Open source software is the answer - it runs on all clouds, and provides vendor and platform independence #eweekchat
Dan Griffith
A8: Edge compute will get as much mindshare as cloud native in the core
James Maguire
@dangit_hub Will edge overtake cloud, or merge with it?
Marc Linster
@dangit_hub Do you see the need to be on multiple clouds to get geo coverage?
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
It will merge and form one ubiquitous cloud.
Dan Griffith
A8: As a result, multicloud as a term will encompass all compute as a service scenarios
Marc Linster
Important to see Cloud == Compute as Service, as opposed to Cloud == Data Center in the Cloud
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
@MarcLinster Yes. To serve consumers and address local regulation and compliance needs across various geographies.

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Dan Griffith
My own opinion, edge native will be its own domain as a subdomain of cloud native
James Maguire
@digitalmarks I don't agree on this one. Edge will have a major gravitational pull -- as much or more than cloud.
Dan Griffith
@MarcLinster For some enterprise clients, absolutely. Majority? Not yet clear to me
Carolyn Duby
A8: In the future multicloud will be more seamless. PAAS is out performing IAAS so there will be less emphasis on the implementation and where the service is running.
Dan Griffith
Agree to the extent that data provides that gravitational "pull"
digitalmarks
re: edge, absolutely! I consider it an abstraction.
Chris Ehrlich
A8: The market will be quite mature, as cloud migrations hasten and multicloud is part of the implementations
Carolyn Duby
@MarcLinster Agree. It doesn't make sense for organizations to learn three or four different ways to do the same workload with security and governance.
James Maguire
Q7. What vendors are the biggest winners in multicloud?
Dan Griffith
A7: Not precisely a vendor, but CNCF projects (and their associated vendors)
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
A7: Multicloud strategies benefit #cloud providers and #hyperscalers first. Solution and service providers who are able to provide integrated cloud services and manage it effectively for reliability, #resiliency and cost optimization will also benefit.
Marc Linster
A7 Postgres has benefited tremendously from multicloud (see Stackoverflow developer survey https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021) - it has become the database of choice on all major clouds #eweekchat
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021
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Cloud Native Computing Foundation https://www.cncf.io

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https://www.cncf.io
Cloud Native Computing Foundation
Cloud Native Computing Foundation
Cloud Native Computing Foundation (CNCF) serves as the vendor-neutral home for many of the fastest-growing open source projects
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
Cloud native computing foundation to drive open-source projects and solutions.

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James Maguire
@KPHariHitachi Why hyperscalers first? They find more competition.
Dan Griffith
A7: @JamesMaguire tks for the acronym check. ;) The Cloud Native Computing Foundation, home of the Kubernetes project and many other container ecosystem projects.
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
Hyperscalers first because their consumption with multicloud strategy will increase across the board.
Carolyn Duby
A7: The jury is still out. Multicloud offers more options that make it easier to bring a workload and consume more both on premise and in the cloud. Ease of delivering business value drives consumption.
Daniel Graves
A7: Vendors who provide capabilities in any technology category that can operate consistently across the clouds. Data management, infrastructure configuration, CI/CD tooling, governance and compliance...
Chris Ehrlich
A7: Major providers. They’ll be chosen as the primary provider for their reach, which the strategy relies on, as well as the de facto complement to niche players.
Larry Carvalho
A6: It allows a customer to escape vendor lockin.
James Maguire
Q6. What’s a big myth associated with multicloud?
digitalmarks
A6: That if you’re not doing multi-cloud, you’re doing something wrong. Not to undermine any of the advantages we’ve been discussing, but if you’re happy with a single provider, that’s OK!
digitalmarks
A6: Multi-cloud introduces complexity, and you want to go in with your eyes wide open. If a single provider is meeting your business needs, you should really take the time to weigh your motivations, the perceived benefits, against the complexity you are introducing.
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
A6: The biggest myth with multicloud is that it provides a straightforward approach for increased #reliability, cost efficiency and optimized ways of working.
Krishnaprasath "KP" Hari
A6: In reality, having the right design, architecture and operations of a workload in a multicloud environment is a must to unlock the true potential of multicloud.
Dan Griffith
A6: Going multicloud mitigates vendor lockin
James Maguire
@KPHariHitachi It's anything but straight forward, surely!
Marc Linster
A6 IT execs may think that multicloud is easy-it is not. E.g., one can easily drift from RDS Postgres to Aurora for Postgres for a specific project, but that just put an end to the multicloud option. Data gravity is a problem too - apps tend to go where the data is

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James Maguire
@dangit_hub So true. Multicloud also includes vendor lock-in.
Dan Griffith
A6: Taking a deliberate, planned approach to abstraction can mitigate some lockin risk. Multicloud in and of itself is no panacea.
Marc Linster
Until the vendor changes their pricing or licensing, and then you are stuck. You are back to where you were with conventional software vendors - locked in
Daniel Graves
Exactly. Multi-cloud is often being locked into multiple clouds.
Daniel Graves
Which brings us back to two very different multi-cloud strategies: 1. Trying to make everything portable across clouds for future migration, and 2. Assuming things built in any cloud will stay there, and determining which workloads/data should live in each cloud.

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Chris Ehrlich
A6: In a way here, the natural portability of open source in the architecture.

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Daniel Graves
Enterprises needs to make this choice and follow through with people / process / technology to achieve it