BusinessAgility

organizational culture, not working towards the same business outcome, large manual toil and low automation

Chaos. Going too fast or going to slow, it's hard to scientifically relevant results if one changes the setup every day as well as it's hard to have a decent data if a thing takes too long as the data may just end up being outdated.

Opportunities - abundance of new tech, new generations of experts hitting the market every year, overall amount of things everywhere - books, knowledge, podcasts, meetups, events, communities, etc. - go there and you'll find what you are looking for.

Measuring means accountability as well :)

If you know the rules of the game you can game the game:)
Not everything that glitters or shines is gold, compare radium or plutonium:)
Same with measuring - be reasonable.

measuring and transparency are not equal, you can measure without transparency, and you can be transparent without having measurements

Measuring means reflection of your journey :)

Measurement also means quick feedback loops, #continuouslearning and #continuousimprovement

@gpallapa Same argument, business process and enterprise architecture create accountability. I can have metrics without accountability, just like I have transparency without metrics. Observability creates observable actions requires observing

@TinyCyber Well, with metrics one at least knows what is going on around, kind of at least. Still better than relying on intuition or guesstimation only.

@gpallapa Agree to disagree, measurements are not inherently fast. Can set measurements to result in quick feedback but have to set right measurement. Also have to be able to change in the same loop

@TinyCyber well there were hidden & unspoken words in that too :) the less measurable you become the less transparency you bring into the system.

@MaciejJarosz5 Not arguing against metrics, like everything else, metrics take work, and constant adjustment

How do we know if we are measuring the right things to become and stay agile?

Maybe we seperate metric chats from transparency. Transparency, to me, means a clear understanding of why/how an action happens. Metrics measure an action a pt in time, measurements incorporate logs, trace, and metrics to build, valuable knowledge guides action

@TinyCyber I guess you are tempting me to book sometime soon with you to have more conversation with you :)

Stake/share-holders need to be happy with the results. Depending on many factors the need may originate from the urgency to make those people happy, the reasonable goal to maintain a stable level of stakeholder happiness or wanting to give more just because we can.

IMO External shareholders require predictability and stable ROI. Management and the workforce really need to embrace agility, lean, and DevOps to drive #value through the organization consistently

@gpallapa Shareholders prefer stable ROI, some are willing to accept more agility for a future ROI DevOps makes lives easier when you emphasize no superheroes

Is agility only as fast as the slowest moving component - external stakeholders, management, workforce, clientel...?

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Are those concepts that different? I don't know, at some point concepts permeate and reference each other, just pick a fancy name and try yourself out on the market.

@MaciejJarosz5 Agreed, Tend to think DevOps has a slightly more structured approach than BizAgility but might be reading the wrong books

Wiki tells me BA is Business agility refers to rapid, continuous, and systematic evolutionary adaptation and entrepreneurial innovation directed at gaining and maintaining competitive advantage

DevOps - set of practices that combines software development and IT operations. It aims to shorten the systems development life cycle and provide continuous delivery with high software quality.

focus on outcomes, #flowmodernization and #feedback and #telemetry, #continuouslearning and #leanexperimentation

bring IT closer to business, IT Architecture Agility & Governance new way of working. #agility #devops

@TinyCyber Well, I'm not into diminishing this or that approach, though after reading some of contemporary frameworks, methods, etc. - those approaches have so many common points that it's actually interesting that they evolved along similar lines.

Can we argue that value streaming integrates the need to maintain #bizagility with a #DevOps practice? No one approach preferred. All about implementation and value

Frameworks, tools and techniques are simply tools in your own toolbox and need to be chosen and adapted to your own situation to achieve your goals

Bizagility is and should be part of DevOps adoption.. That will help organizations to achieve true cultural transformation

#flowmanagement #automation #systemicthinking #continuousimprovement and #leanthinking

Knowing what you actually have, mapping your assets, resources, also those untapped ones - do you know what treasures do you have or not?
Connect the dots.

The change in the attitude of enablers to view IT not a cost center anymore. This is the driving factor henceforth.

Accelerated value to customer, and, of course, flow, feedback, continuous experimentation. Maybe, Culture Automation, Lean, Metrics, Sharing

@fictionalzeus Shouldn't think of it as enabler, part of the business process, tied in to the overall value-stream.

@TinyCyber CALMS..

the real value flow if can be visualized is the key aspect #DevOps can support .#agility

Another way #devops helps is by helping business #leaders focus on the true #metrics that matter and having the right level of #observability for the organization

@RjSriram15 Is that what that was? I was going to take credit...we could go into the benefits DevOps has for becoming cloud-native as well

@pareeksiddharth What do you mean by 'real value flow'

I like @MaciejJarosz5 comment about companies developing organically, not using only a few basic tools like hammer or axe

@gpallapa Which metrics do you suggest in expanding from #devops to #bizagility

Well, that hammer or axe is this or that repeatable set of techniques, frameworks, methods, etc.. It's not a paracetamol, it cannot cure most ailments (please consult your favourite doctor before following medical advice found on the Internet).

#SAFe and #LeSS are transformational steps, increase comfort level for large enterprises. They create the base camp, but you can't summit without "full" DevOps

It's a question along the lines - if one would ride a racing car does it makes that one a race driver?
As if one size would be able to fit all.

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I might race my everyday car and that doesn't make me a race car driver either. Change hurts. Have to find the steps to managing increasing agility. Don't start #Yoga with an inverted full lotus

Exactly @tinycyber - Checking something off the list does not make things true :)

@MaciejJarosz5 You just crushed my dream ;)

Too many orgs take the first steps, and then when things get challenging, instead of mapping the new way, they revert to old processes. Feature errors = Change board, Poor workflow = Appoint config mgr Bad peer review = Assign Senior Dev

Hey, hey, a good computer racing game is still cheaper than buying a decent Ferrari haha

Just hang out for the full VR experience....almost the same but less time in the ER