DOES14

FUN!

Will there be 80s drinks?

Dammit, wish I could be there. Clash with an EMEA trip though. I bet it will be a blast. :)

@furrier LOL, I DEMAND A FLUFFY DUCK!!!

1.21 gigawatts!

@AndiMann I love The Clash - great band

@furrier (or maybe a grasshopper)

@furrier Oh yeah!!! Lot's of 80s drinks - wine coolers :-)

Bring your big hair!!

As for 80s music - I was a DJ in the 80s, that is like my special subject! ;-)

@furrier LOL, well, yes, me too. (Took me far too long to get that pun)

@AndiMann DJ battle royale is in order. :)

@AndiMann Perhaps we';ve found our DJ for the event then Andi!! :-)

@catpoetry LOL, would not be my first! Does that even happen anymore? Don't DJs just set their Macs to autopilot and go dance these days? #ShowingMyAge #GetOffMyLawn

We just had the #openstackSV event there and it was a great venue

@AndiMann LOL.

theme and location sounds exactly like #devopsdays silicon valley

Feedback comes in many forms, only some of which are traditionally considered testing. This talk catalogs various types of feedback and how to make sure you're getting enough of it.

@testobsessed Thumbs up!

Is it more big data or software in the cloud?

@testobsessed What are some of the other types of feedback Elisabeth?

@testobsessed Excellent! I hope to see this at some stage (I sadly have to miss the event). I have a 4-vector model of devops feedback I am working on, planning to post about it next week. Would love to see your preso, and compare notes sometime.\

It's applicable to any software-related context.

@testobsessed Agreed. Everyone is focused on deployment but feedback loops (what they are and how to make them shorter) is the key to DevOps success!

To see Elisabeth's talk and others for #DOES14, check out: http://devopsenterpr...

@stbrodie feedback on...
...code with unit/integration tests
...a build with CI
...emergent behavior of the system with exploratory testing
...intentions with user testing
...business model with the lean startup build/measure/learn cycle

@testobsessed Can't wait to hear your talk

Breaking down the silos and fiefdoms is a huge challenge

most of our challenges are cultural - transitioning from optimizing for cost to optimizing for speed

for best answer to this, read @realgenekim's Phoenix Project :-)

+1 on Phoenix Project, @pDendi. Spot on.

Courtney - Same at Blackboard.

I think the human issues are the most difficult of all: resistance to change, turf wars, politics.

For many traditional organizations, legacy monolithic architectures can become a big imediment

Definitely the people issues are biggest. Aren't they always?

(turf wars)--

@stbrodie That's true for Nordstrom and we're doing what we can to address it, but it's slow...

People naturally want to protect what they have. It's hard to get people to know that letting some stuff go can actually free them up to do things they will enjoy even more.

For larger orgs, I think taking a phased approach starting with a single team or app is a good way to get started, so you can address the challenges in the small.

That said, the startup models of DevOps and CD are extremely challenging to larger enterprises. More moving parts, more politics, more controls, more limitations (or maybe just different ones). Enterprise is different in very real ways.

cooperation over DevOps teams that need to deliver value together!

@stbrodie That's what we did. Started with our customer mobile app team. Demonstrated the value and now we're moving to our in-store technology delivery teams.

@AndiMann Agree 100% Andi! We believe you should start piloting in one area/then. As success is achieved, you can then expand to more groups & applications

We are starting to use SAFe, but I don't like it. To mee it is too much waterfall again

Tool selection matters when making DevOps work in complex enterprise environments

@stbrodie There is a lot of literature on the pace-layered approach too. Either way, I agree - large enterprise simply cannot do a 100% transformation like a 'big bang' release; should take steps instead. Isn't that more simpatico with CI/CD anyway? :)

@JanJoostBouwman We started there too and had the same results - basically we were doing waterfull but calling it agile. Now our focus is continuous flow and it has been successful for our customer mobile team (baby steps)...

yes, @jimensell tools make a big difference. Data virtualization helps eliminate the barrier to environment provisioning for Dev and QA @furrier

@kylehhailey Absolutely! Other tools that are key include CI/CD Automation, Test Automation, Cloud Provisioning, Model-Based Config Management, Service Virtualization & more

@stbrodie And under test automation, mocking and integration frameworks are critical for quick feedback loops.

Courtney, Is that the mobile team that Caitlin Warnock works on? I saw Caitlin's great presentation at FlowCon

@stbrodie Yes! That's the team!

@stbrodie Caitlin will be at #DOES14 too!

For us it isn't flow, but different applications with their own backlogs that need to align to deliver 1 service

Love @mcummings516 "CD == continuous debugging": https://twitter.com/...

I undrrstand the need to align, but it takes away the agility and doesn't help with incident resolution either.

@jimensell Ha, it is like you read my mind ... or my post! http://devops.com/bl...