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Negatively. DevOps being so much about culture and collaboration makes outsourcing (not offshoring) extremely difficult and ineffective.

I have an opinion on this; it is impacting outsourcing in negative way bc companies bringing core competency in house; outsourcing (renting) non core assets still

How did Agile affect outsourcing?

@catpoetry anecdotally I saw orgs pull a lot of development back in. I don't have stats.

mobile infrastructure is driving lots of change to force companies not to outsource. Outsource vendors are building full blown clouds

This whold push to automated testing is having a big impact as well

@stbrodie How so?

DevOps creates a positive pressure on outsourcing value-add to move up the chain..away from mundane stuff such as provisioning, config etc

Seeing this big shift from manual testing which was commonly offshored or outsourced

Silos create DevOps problems. Near impossible to outsource part of lifecycle without creating silos.

@stbrodie Agreed - We're in the process of a major switch from outsourced testing to more in-house automation.

DevOps makes outsourcing less of a brute force labor arbitrage play.

DevOps and CD is collaboration and automation. This is very hard to achieve with the outsourced model

@stbrodie Yes, I saw the same thing starting with Agile: the shift away from outsourcing commodity manual testing to devs automating & embedded testers on teams.

Since technology/software/automation is a multiplier the value curve of outsourcing changes. This is the "10x engineer myth" at play.

How much of brining #devops internally is in the ineffective ability to manage it externally?

@tcrawford Tim great to see you

@tcrawford Can you clarify what you mean by managing it externally?

@stbrodie X-function leveraging internal + external resources.

@damonedwards Very true. This is part of the legacy issue that larger enterprises face. Startups simply don't have to deal with insourcing 5000 people from a 3rd-party facility in India.

Startups also have a different problem to solve vs. enterprises. !=

or is it changing it? Moving the people side further up the value chain?

I'm curious about your definition of IT in this context.

Do you mean the people or the practice?

David: I see the people side really moving fast with #devops leading the transformation. We are seeing more hiring in house IT shops across the board

Technology itself rarely matters (level playing field on web and mobile) but technical operations execution does.

Software (plus Cloud) is eating IT IMO. Look at the recent trend for software-defined infrastructure

@davehod writes https://twitter.com/...

Traditional IT is becoming less interesting. Transformational IT is becoming more important. #CIO

@catpoetry Totally agree, Cat. It is about transformation, not irrelevance. Did distributed systems make IT irrelevant? Did PCs? Did the Web? All were adopted *outside* IT, all made IT *more* relevant, but all required IT transformation. Same deal today.

@damonedwards Great point Damon. Differentiation does not come from widely available technology; but rather from what you do with it.

@stbrodie But by the same token, software and cloud is allowing iT to focus on high-order value. The infra is not that important; but the applications are becoming differentiators - for revenue, engagement, market penetration, customer experience etc.

I really see it vary by vertical. Certainly, seems to be fairly standard practice for emerging, Silicon Valley startups

DevOps is where Agile was 10 years ago: real in some places, illusion in others, largely mysterious for most folks.

But, we are much earlier in the adoption cycle for many larger traditional enterprises

One of the big challenges is having a common definition of whatis meant by DevOps

@testobsessed so true!

I actually see DevOps being more like where Cloud was 7 years ago

We didn't have the definitions of IaaS and PaaS in cloud world and everyone was saying they were a cloud vendor

@stbrodie what is your definition of it?

DevOps is similar in some ways. Is DevOps a methodology, cultural movement, technology

@damonedwards I'll defer to Damon for the definition of DevOps

@stbrodie agree on #devops being like cloud 7yrs ago; it's about engineering

IT who? #devops changes the face of IT

Software is ubiquitous, and technology provides strategic advantage even for decidedly non-tech companies.

Software has become the primary innovation driver across nearly every vertical

All joking aside; the lines between IT as organization vs the business functions are blurring so IT is not a dept anymore it's everywhere

I dont know if IT has become a strategic asset

Because every business is a software business, so IT is a critical success factor. Like Andreesen said in 2011, software is eating the world. Today, pretty much every business is being rewritten by software. To poke Nick Carr in the eye, IT still matters.

You always hear about the examples of Netflix and Amazon disrupting their market levergaing technology and software

most software innovation that matters isnt being done by the IT dept

We are seeing even more software driven disruption. Look at Nest with their home automation, Uber and how they are disrupting taxi market

@wickett I disagree - I think you have pockets in different places in different companies.

@wickett I agree with you 100% IT needs to be more innovative

IT is constantly bottleneck for app dev, reporting envs, audits so the need for agility and Devops and eliminating that bottleneck @JerDoug

@wickett Agreed. Oftentimes, traditional IT has become a bottleneck

Do you think in house software development is a legit trend or just hype?

This is often the driver for adoption of IaaS and SaaS at the departmental level

At the base, technology is a workforce multiplier. It can unlock multiples of value delivery in business.

Yes, Devops moving faster than legacy markets Apple vs. Kodak, Uber vs. Taxis, Amazon vs. Retailers. Use data virtualization for your speed.@JerDoug

@wickett That is a rather bold generalization. In the same spirit, I will say that it is a bad one. Enterprise IT departments can and do drive innovation that matters. Often through cloud, devops, agile, mobile. Odd that you have never seen it.

IT Innovation is core of success 49% of Leaders adopted DevOps to speed application delivery vs 6% of Laggards http://www.ca.com/us...

@AndiMann or odd that you have? in seriousness whatever it is, call it R&D or stealth IT or in-house startups... people usually circumvent traditional IT to make things happen

@wickett heh, good shot! But yes, while 'shadow/rogue' and biz users are doing a lot to transform their biz (and fwiw, circumventing IT is not at all new), it is a myth that IT is not. Actual brand-named IT depts are also innovating.