DOES14

DevOps Enterprise Summit
CrowdChat with Gene Kim and Steve Brodie about DevOps Enterprise Summit in Oct 2014
Press Release: DevOps Summit
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#DOES14Future of DevOps and CD Hosted by Steve Brodie, CEO of Electric Cloud, and Gene Kim, noted DevOps author and researcher
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Terri Douglas
I've heard #ContinuousDelivery is called the "New Agile." Can you share your thoughts on that?
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Steve Brodie
Agree 100%. The focus has been on Agile "development" for a long time. E.g. are we doing scrum or pair programming, meeting standing up, etc
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Steve Brodie
in some cases there were religious battles and we lost sight of the 1st principle of the Agile Manifesto. Focus o continuous delivery of valuable software to customers
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John Furrier
Continuous Deliver to me is #devops goodness so I love this concept; The new agile makes sense; all new developers are native to devops and strong #opensource communities
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Steve Brodie
With the publication of Jez Humble's book on "Continuous Delivery" recently, the focus has once again turned to the first principle, recognizing that value is not added until the software in the hands of the end users
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CrowdFather
Opensource is the new mafia. Tier 1 citizen.. now we need to maintain the peace
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Gene Kim
High trust is one of top predictor of #devops perf. We all benefit from #agile movement that started 11 yrs ago
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John Furrier
@Crowdfather Who are the five families?
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Steve Brodie
@furrier Loving the Godfather reference!
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John Furrier
@stbrodie Everything you need to know in business you can learn watching the #godfather :-)
John Furrier
https://www.youtube.... our expert host was great when I interviewed him on @theCUBE @realgenekim rocks #rhsummit #devops #opensource
Gene Kim - Red Hat Summit 2014 - TheCUBE
Gene Kim, Co-Author, "The Phoenix Project: A DevOps Novel", at Red Hat Summit 2014 with John Furrier and Stu Miniman @thecube #RHSummit Ask anyone in DevOps ...
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John Furrier
Gene, you recently said, “We hope to create a community of practice for people who are driving large-scale transformation, so we can codify the patterns that are enabling their success." What do you mean by “codifying the patterns”?
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Gene Kim
We'll document the common patterns among all the #devops transformations told at #DOES14, so others can replicate them in their own orgs.
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Evan Powell
@realgenekim love the "codifying the patterns" and/or open source the patterns idea. Very valuable and will be a great outcome for everyone if #DOES14 moves this along.
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John Furrier
@epowell101 Evan great to see you hanging with the #devops crew
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Gene Kim
#DOES14 talks show #devops is not just for 1%-ers (unicorns); it's for 99%-ers (horses), too. :)
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Steve Brodie
We see a great opportunity to build consensus in the community on the patterns and best practices
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Steve Brodie
@epowell101 particularly the patterns and best practices when doing DevOps and CD at scale
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Steve Brodie
Nowadays it seems that every new startup is doing DevOps and CD. Its one thing to do this for one app. Entirely different to implement at a large financial institution
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Gene Kim
Trivia fact: top industry verticals for #DOES14 submissions, by far: retailing, financial svcs (!!!)
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Steve Brodie
And we will also have stories for customers in embedded
CrowdFather
I'll ask the big question.. Does Amazon end up running the entire table in public cloud? Does anyone have a chance to compete?
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John Furrier
AWS is kicking ass no doubt; Andy Jassy team is innovating very fast. Enterprise grade is big issue thought and many like IBM, VMware/Pivotal, HP, and Microsoft have a say there
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Steve Brodie
AWS certainly has a big lead at the moment. Personally, I would not count out Microsoft Azure or Google's renewed push
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Gene Kim
(It's awe-inspiring to see Google's recent mobilization of engrs into their cloud efforts...)
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Oren Carmeli
it'll be hard for AWS to compete against a wide array of competitors by itself. Similar to the competition between iPhones and Androids
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Crowd Captain
When we talked to the founder of Dropcam at #AWSreinvent it was clear that #devops model will replace traditional software development practices and solutions
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John Furrier
@Oren_Carmeli who is iphone? AWS? fully integrated stacks is the key; #oracle calls it engineered systems .. I call it purpose built
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Steve Brodie
Regardless of how the cloud wars play out, we all benefit as the cloud is such a major enabler of the DevOps and CD movement
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Steve Brodie
For many organizations, provisioning new hardware or virtual machines is a major bottleneck
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Steve Brodie
Public and private clouds remove one of the major inhibitors to responsiveness and faster cycle times
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Oren Carmeli
@furrier These companies are like athletes. They can rise to the top, but their status is ephemeral. There will always be a new generation to replace the old.
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Gene Kim
A submission I hope makes it in: "Millions Of QA Engrs Worldwide Will Be Disrupted By #DevOps" @paulpeissner
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Gene Kim
(Most humans I know want to help QA/testers who only know manual testing, trying to live in #devops world)
Wesley Pullen
@stbrodie and @realgenekim, I would be VERY interested in either of you commenting on the difference between #DOES14, #DevOpsDays, and/or #DevOpsSummit (via UNICOM)? Lots of events on DevOps these days. Why?
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Steve Brodie
Gene can speak to this very eloquently but in a nutshell our Summit is squarely targeted at large enterprises and ISVs pursuing DevOps and Continuous Delivery
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Steve Brodie
for those in the DevOps community, we've heard the stories of Netflix, Etsy, Amazon, etc.
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Steve Brodie
DOES14 will highlight real-world stories from companies like GE, Disney, SpaceX, Barclay's Bank,TicketMaster, Nordstrom,Gap and many many more
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Wesley Pullen
@stbrodie Thanks very much for the clarification.
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John Furrier
Welsey don't forget #devops CrowdChats .. Devops is the fastest growing community of developers on the planet
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Gene Kim
#DOES14 focuses on heroic journey of horses, where Velocity/DevOpsDays (my fave cons) is about the unicorns.
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Gene Kim
Some of my best friends are unicorns, but we need to broaden #devops narrative to include horses.
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Gene Kim
I believe majority of economic #devops value will come from horses, not unicorns. Just saying. :)
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Gene Kim
#DOES14 program committee very focused on talks from ppl leading #devops xforms in large, complex orgs
Jeremy Douglas
How much of a focus will IoT & embedded software be at #DOES14?
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John Furrier
Great question #iot is hot GE calls it the #industrialcloud
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Steve Brodie
Many people don't believe DevOps and Continuous Delivery is relevant for organizations developing IoT and embedded softare solutions
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Steve Brodie
However, we have a number of IoT and Embedded customers, such as GE, SpaceX and Huawei that have successfully implement CD initiatives
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Oren Carmeli
Great video, I think there should be a big focus on data protection and safety. I want to be certain that my information is being protected.
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Steve Brodie
@Oren_Carmeli Hi Oren, agree 100% on the need data protection, privacy an security. Critical to incorporate this perspective and validation into the continuous delivery process
John Furrier
Question: What are some of the barriers to accelerating the pace of quality software into production and deployment?
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Steve Brodie
Many organizations have bottlenecks due lack of automation or silos of automation
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Gene Kim
A common theme among submissions for #devops adoption barrier was "low trust culture" and "culture culture culture"
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Steve Brodie
In many of the organizations we visit, common bottlenecks include long build times, manual testing, and slow deployment and provisioning
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CrowdFather
What about roles of different clouds? I like AWS for something not for others? How do I work across the cloud providers?
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Wesley Pullen
@stbrodie I completely agree here.
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Steve Brodie
As Gene notes, the solution is multi-dimensional. A successful CD/DevOps transformation requires evolution in culture, process and technology
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Gene Kim
I love the universality of certain #devops barriers: culture, manual testing, compliance... we're all fighting same battles.
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Steve Brodie
@Crowdfather DevOps is fundamentally cloud agnostic IMO
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Evan Powell
We see a lack of trust and transparency in cross silo automation - if any exists. Agree w/ @stbrodie
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Steve Brodie
@Crowdfather We see organizations implementing CD on top of private cloud baed on VMWare, OpenStack and others
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John Furrier
@stbrodie Can you explain the silo piece in detail
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Steve Brodie
@Crowdfather We also see organizations doing DevOps on a variety of public clouds
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Evan Powell
@stbrodie at the risk of the worst acronym in DevOps, do we need Automation As A Service? We've seen it just a few places, not broadly done (yet).
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Steve Brodie
@epowell101 Evan, you are correct, the trust issues are some of the biggest challenges
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Steve Brodie
@epowell101 I believe the reality is that organizations with strong silos and trust issues probably struggle to achieve faster cycle times, higher quality, greater responsiveness and better uptime
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Gene Kim
.@furrier @stbrodie: Yes! In research, high trust was 1 of top predictors of lead time, MTTR, deploy freq.
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Gene Kim
PS: Here's the PPT that @jezhumble, @nicolefv, @nigelkersten gave 2 wks ago: http://www.slideshar...
2014 State Of DevOps Findings! Velocity Conference
Presentation by Nicole Forsgren Velasquez | Jez Humble | Nigel Kersten | Gene Kim
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Steve Brodie
@epowell101 We probably have more than enough acronyms in our industry before we introduce AaaS :-)
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Evan Powell
@stbrodie Regarding lack of trust in automation, we see a N^2 integration challenge too. Many to many tied together w/ scripts typically or "real code" at places like AWS.
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Steve Brodie
@stbrodie @epowell101 That said, many of our largest customer have setup centralized, shared continuous delivery services on an internal private cloud
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Steve Brodie
@epowell101 Regarding the N^2 integration challenge, definitely a challenge with point to point integrations or linkages
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Steve Brodie
@epowell101 Some of the most successful organizations we see employ and E2E orchestration solution to automation the software delivery pipeline from developer check-in to production release and feedback loops from produyction monitoring