DOES14

Future of DevOps and CD
Hosted by Steve Brodie, CEO of Electric Cloud, and Gene Kim, noted DevOps author and researcher
   6 years ago
#DOES14DevOps Enterprise SummitCrowdChat with Gene Kim and Steve Brodie about DevOps Enterprise Summit in Oct 2014
John Furrier
Q4: What are the emerging challenges that software driven organizations face when adopting and scaling DevOps and Continuous Delivery practices across the enterprise?
Steve Brodie
Breaking down the silos and fiefdoms is a huge challenge
Courtney Kissler (hiring)
most of our challenges are cultural - transitioning from optimizing for cost to optimizing for speed
prathap dendi
for best answer to this, read @realgenekim's Phoenix Project :-)
Steve Karam
+1 on Phoenix Project, @pDendi. Spot on.
David Ashman
Courtney - Same at Blackboard.
ElisabethHendrickson
I think the human issues are the most difficult of all: resistance to change, turf wars, politics.
Steve Brodie
For many traditional organizations, legacy monolithic architectures can become a big imediment
Andi Mann
Definitely the people issues are biggest. Aren't they always?
Courtney Kissler (hiring)
@stbrodie That's true for Nordstrom and we're doing what we can to address it, but it's slow...
David Ashman
People naturally want to protect what they have. It's hard to get people to know that letting some stuff go can actually free them up to do things they will enjoy even more.
Steve Brodie
For larger orgs, I think taking a phased approach starting with a single team or app is a good way to get started, so you can address the challenges in the small.
Andi Mann
That said, the startup models of DevOps and CD are extremely challenging to larger enterprises. More moving parts, more politics, more controls, more limitations (or maybe just different ones). Enterprise is different in very real ways.
Jan-Joost Bouwman
cooperation over DevOps teams that need to deliver value together!
Courtney Kissler (hiring)
@stbrodie That's what we did. Started with our customer mobile app team. Demonstrated the value and now we're moving to our in-store technology delivery teams.
Steve Brodie
@AndiMann Agree 100% Andi! We believe you should start piloting in one area/then. As success is achieved, you can then expand to more groups & applications
Jan-Joost Bouwman
We are starting to use SAFe, but I don't like it. To mee it is too much waterfall again
Jim Ensell
Tool selection matters when making DevOps work in complex enterprise environments
Andi Mann
@stbrodie There is a lot of literature on the pace-layered approach too. Either way, I agree - large enterprise simply cannot do a 100% transformation like a 'big bang' release; should take steps instead. Isn't that more simpatico with CI/CD anyway? :)
Courtney Kissler (hiring)
@JanJoostBouwman We started there too and had the same results - basically we were doing waterfull but calling it agile. Now our focus is continuous flow and it has been successful for our customer mobile team (baby steps)...
Kyle Hailey
yes, @jimensell tools make a big difference. Data virtualization helps eliminate the barrier to environment provisioning for Dev and QA @furrier
Steve Brodie
@kylehhailey Absolutely! Other tools that are key include CI/CD Automation, Test Automation, Cloud Provisioning, Model-Based Config Management, Service Virtualization & more
David Ashman
@stbrodie And under test automation, mocking and integration frameworks are critical for quick feedback loops.
Steve Brodie
Courtney, Is that the mobile team that Caitlin Warnock works on? I saw Caitlin's great presentation at FlowCon
Jan-Joost Bouwman
For us it isn't flow, but different applications with their own backlogs that need to align to deliver 1 service
ElisabethHendrickson
Love @mcummings516 "CD == continuous debugging": https://twitter.com/...
mcummings516
@mpkhosla @testobsessed CD also stands for Continuous Debugging. . . :)
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Jan-Joost Bouwman
I undrrstand the need to align, but it takes away the agility and doesn't help with incident resolution either.
Andi Mann
@jimensell Ha, it is like you read my mind ... or my post! http://devops.com/bl...
Making DevOps Work in Complex Enterprise Environments
Making DevOps Work in Complex Enterprise Environments -- DevOps.com
Jeremy Douglas
Why has IT become a strategic asset for the leading enterprises today and how does #Devops play into that? #DOES14
John Furrier
IT who? #devops changes the face of IT
ElisabethHendrickson
Software is ubiquitous, and technology provides strategic advantage even for decidedly non-tech companies.
Steve Brodie
Software has become the primary innovation driver across nearly every vertical
John Furrier
All joking aside; the lines between IT as organization vs the business functions are blurring so IT is not a dept anymore it's everywhere
James Wickett
I dont know if IT has become a strategic asset
Andi Mann
Because every business is a software business, so IT is a critical success factor. Like Andreesen said in 2011, software is eating the world. Today, pretty much every business is being rewritten by software. To poke Nick Carr in the eye, IT still matters.
Steve Brodie
You always hear about the examples of Netflix and Amazon disrupting their market levergaing technology and software
James Wickett
most software innovation that matters isnt being done by the IT dept
Steve Brodie
We are seeing even more software driven disruption. Look at Nest with their home automation, Uber and how they are disrupting taxi market
David Ashman
@wickett I disagree - I think you have pockets in different places in different companies.
John Furrier
@wickett I agree with you 100% IT needs to be more innovative
Kyle Hailey
IT is constantly bottleneck for app dev, reporting envs, audits so the need for agility and Devops and eliminating that bottleneck @JerDoug
Steve Brodie
@wickett Agreed. Oftentimes, traditional IT has become a bottleneck
John Furrier
Do you think in house software development is a legit trend or just hype?
Steve Brodie
This is often the driver for adoption of IaaS and SaaS at the departmental level
Scott Prugh
At the base, technology is a workforce multiplier. It can unlock multiples of value delivery in business.
Kyle Hailey
Yes, Devops moving faster than legacy markets Apple vs. Kodak, Uber vs. Taxis, Amazon vs. Retailers. Use data virtualization for your speed.@JerDoug
Andi Mann
@wickett That is a rather bold generalization. In the same spirit, I will say that it is a bad one. Enterprise IT departments can and do drive innovation that matters. Often through cloud, devops, agile, mobile. Odd that you have never seen it.
Kyle Hailey
IT Innovation is core of success 49% of Leaders adopted DevOps to speed application delivery vs 6% of Laggards http://www.ca.com/us...
James Wickett
@AndiMann or odd that you have? in seriousness whatever it is, call it R&D or stealth IT or in-house startups... people usually circumvent traditional IT to make things happen
Andi Mann
@wickett heh, good shot! But yes, while 'shadow/rogue' and biz users are doing a lot to transform their biz (and fwiw, circumventing IT is not at all new), it is a myth that IT is not. Actual brand-named IT depts are also innovating.