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Truth About Hybrid Cloud
Live, round-table discussion about Hybrid IT.
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Jesse Proudman
What's your definition of hybrid cloud?
Jesse Proudman
A Hybrid cloud exists when a single workload spans multiple infrastructures (public and private, public and public, private and private, etc..)
John Furrier
can you elaborate on the workload issue or is it just a infra issue
Jesse Proudman
It's a workload issue. A single workload (application) must span multiple infrastructures to be considered hybrid.
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to me, a Hybrid cloud is a Frankenstein Cloud - bandaging disparate components.
Mike Onsing
is the definition also about the deployment or architecture? like on premise or off prem
CenturyLink Business
@cloud_opinion great definition: hybrid cloud = frankenstein. Hopefully in a good sense?!
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@CenturyLinkEnt ha ha - was Frankenstein ever good ? :)
Jesse Proudman
@mikeonsing For hybrid, the location of the infrastructure doesn't matter. It's about the architecture of the deployment.
Mike Onsing
self service, API, Agile apps,.. great point Jesse Proudman
Mike Onsing
hybrid can be in the datacenter https://twitter.com/...
Jeff Frick
@cloud_opinion > Frankenstein Cloud, for all the cloud conversation, hadn't heard that one. I like it.
Sam Charrington
We need to distinguish hybrid clouds and hybrid cloud applications. The former may be defined independent of workload. The latter is what @blueboxjesse is talking about. Both are interesting, for different reasons (infr federation & mgmt vs app mgmt).
Jesse Proudman
@samcharrington Curious on the distinction you'd make? What's hybrid mean without a workload?
Sam Charrington
I can have a hybrid cloud not running hybridized applications, i.e. per ur def single workload spanning infrastructures.
Jesse Proudman
@samcharrington Still don't totally understand... How is it a hybrid cloud without an application? :)
Brian Mirise
I see multiple clouds without a unified orchestration as "multi-cloud"
Sam Charrington
No one is saying there is no application, just that one can have a hybrid cloud without a single application that spans the entirety of it.
Stuart Miniman
I believe @samcharrington means federated applications (spanning locations) vs having some apps on-prem, some in public and some as SaaS with no bursting or moving
Jesse Proudman
@stu @samcharrington Yes, that makes sense. Depending on what those infrastructures are, that could simply be "cloud" or IMO would be categorized as hybrid cloud.
Sam Charrington
Right @BrianMirise, there is a spectrum. Multi-cloud = JBOCS, Hybrid cloud = multiple clouds with common provisioning, identity, cost performance and application management.
Sam Charrington
JBOCs = Just a Bunch Of Clouds if not obvious
Sam Charrington
Said another way, I believe Hybrid is itself an architectural principle, that may be applied independently at the infrastructure tier and the application tier.
Sam Charrington
Which raises the interesting q, can you have hybrid cloud applications without a hybrid cloud in my view. Of course. Just because you run your backend on GCE and your DB on RDS does that mean you have a hybrid cloud. Your def yes, mine no.
Sam Charrington
But if you take steps to unify identity, deployment, management across the two such that the user doesn't care what cloud they're using, then you can of course incorporate GCE and AWS into a hybrid cloud.
Jesse Proudman
@samcharrington Super helpful. So your definition requires both application and orchestration spanning multiple infrastructures. I think that's logical.
Sam Charrington
Ummm. I would say to have a hybrid cloud application running on a hybrid cloud then yes. Where we disagree is that I think you can have either a hybrid cloud or a hybrid cloud application without the other.
Tim Crawford
The reality is: Just about every org on the planet is using a hybrid approach to services today. #cloud
John Furrier
@tcrawford i was said earlier that born in the cloud vs connecting to the cloud is a great demark line for what is hybrid
Tim Crawford
@furrier That's an interesting perspective. Not sure how I think about it. Must think more.
John Furrier
What do people think about #cloudfoundry and the current PaaS situation?
Mike Kavis
seeing much more RFPs and POCs and CF is involved in all of them
Jesse Proudman
#CloudFoundry become the defacto PaaS standard a year ago like #OpenStack became the defacto Private Cloud. Over the coming years, we'll see significant adoption.
Jesse Proudman
As a further proof point, Pivotal just announced bookings of $40M last year. #CloudFoundry isn't going away.
Mike Onsing
Rob Smoot says two types of applications "born in cloud" and "connecting to the cloud from somewhere" - app workload depends both use cases valid. Excellent comment
John Furrier
Cloudfoundry was smart to take a "rising tide floats all boats" by circling the wagons on the partnerships. That was key success tactic
John Furrier
that $40m was not cloudfoundry lots of other legacy rev (eg greenplum)
Jesse Proudman
Still impressive from a standing start. ;)
James Watters
John, stop mis reporting facts. The 40 was 100% Cloud Foundry software as articulated in our PR
James Watters
the EMC annoucement gave the PCF + Big Data suite number which was $80M.
John Furrier
@wattersjames Thanks for sharing that
John Furrier
I stand corrected "falling on my sword"
Ariana Gradow
@blueboxjesse How did #cloudfoundry affect the development in your organization?
John Furrier
James we'll be at IBM event next month so have to ask how's the partnership plans coming
Jesse Proudman
@arianagradow They've rewritten 350 legacy LOB apps to 125 modernized apps on CF. This included things written in COBOL. They've been able to deliver business value MUCH faster than their previous efforts.
John Furrier
this is why Pivotal crossed over to success - open PaaS movement was a good call http://blog.pivotal....
Brian Gallagher
The PaaS market is heating up with over 70 platforms and #cloudfoundry as the cornerstone. It's the new normal for modern application development.
Mike Onsing
@BGallagher32 great to see EMC executive in this chat!!! Brian Gallagher is someone that we follow thx
John Furrier
@BGallagher32 Brian how does a customer from EMC deploy hybrid when they want converged infrastructure as their path?
Jesse Proudman
"A few years ago, IaaS was just virtual machines, PaaS was this new thing no one knew how to use and SaaS was websites. Times have changed." - @DaveShac << So true.
Wendy White
still education needed in market in typical IT department
Jeff Frick
> I'm still surprised you're not wearing your Hawk's Jersey.
Ariana Gradow
In your opinion, what's next after PaaS?
Jesse Proudman
@JeffFrick doh! I got my 12th man flag in the background though.
Ranga
#PaaS and #container worlds are coming together with Diego/Garden in #CloudFoundry & GearD in #OpenShift