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Data Gravity
Live, round-table discussion around Hybrid IT
   6 years ago
#HybridITFilesTruth About Hybrid CloudLive, round-table discussion about Hybrid IT.
John Furrier
Question: Is Hadoop overrated? Can Hortonworks and Cloudera build huge business or will they be a feature of something much bigger?
Katlen Tillman
that is relevant to our third topic -- stay tuned!
Jeff Kelly
why can't both happen? Yes, Hadoop is just one component in the larger modern data architecture, but its a critical component.
Jeff Kelly
the success (or not) of Hadoop vendors will be based much more on developing profitable/scalable biz model for open source software, not a referendum on the importance of Hadoop as a technology
John Furrier
@jeffreyfkelly You called it over two years ago Jeff- the value will be in the ecosystem not pure play vendors. I see this playing out. #bigdata isn't just about Hadoop
Dave Vellante
@jeffreyfkelly I think you are both right- #bigdata co's can build large businesses because the TAM is so huge - but the real value (biggest hits) will come from outside the vendor base
Jeff Frick
@katlen > @Furrier jumping ahead again?
John Furrier
“It’s hard to sell free stuff,” said John Schroeder, chief executive of rival MapR. in today's Wall Street Journal report
Alan Morrison
Hadoop and Spark have value, but distributed computing generally may be overused--seems possible to scale up at a linear cost to dozens of nodes through reverse virtualization and rack optimization: https://www.youtube....
Ike Nassi talks about TidalScale at TTI Vanguard's "Reprogramming Programming"
Ike Nassi, Chief Executive Officer and Founder, TidalScale Software-Scaled Computing: Resizing the Computer to Fit the Application How can we simplify the st...
Alan Morrison
TidalScale claims they enable their small clusters to look and operate as a single machine, incl. single machine software.
John Furrier
@AlanMorrison sounds like a mainframe which now is the cloud
John Furrier
getting teams in place for Hadoop is wrong approach just to have "big data" capabilities; just pick a project and go with it says host @CenturyLinkENT
John Furrier
How will the datacenter change or evolve with the forces of #cloudcomputing driving more projects in the cloud. Is Hybrid a bridge to the cloud?
Wendy White
ok - can't resist since they are talking IO. http://searchaws.tec...
John Furrier
"I don't have a single engineer in my organization that understands the topology of the Amazon network, Google is much simpler. That said, AWS offers more flexibility, such as in defining policy rules by individual subnets, a more granular app"
CrowdFather
@wendywhite it's been a massive arms race to lower overall latency and looking at data to be more precise; how much does it cost to keep in house or subscribe as service
Jeff Frick
> And how many enterprises' want to stay in the Data Center Arms Race?
Tim Crawford
@JeffFrick Answer: None. http://avoa.com/2014...
CIOs are getting out of the Data Center business
More than three years ago, a proclamation was made (by myself, Mark Thiele and Jan Wiersma) that the data center was dead. Ironically, all three of us come from an IT background of running data cen...
John Bara
datacenter 1990's had to own it 2015 it is a utility so buy on demand. Tradeoff is QOS and OPSEC
Tim Crawford
@John_Bara You make a key point: We used to have to do everything in IT. No longer the case.
John Furrier
@tcrawford @John_Bara CIOs are in the revenue business not managing costs of old IT
Tim Crawford
Agree...sort of. There is a balance to strike for some time to come.
Dave Vellante
"Value of data is in its immediacy" - love that quote - time-to-value - #bigdata becomes part of delivery strategy (has availability consequences)
Katlen Tillman
definitely an interesting insight
John Furrier
Data is often discussed as "streams" so how does the gravity angle relate to that for real time and #IoT #bigdata #datagravity
Dave Vellante
@mthiele10 understands the angle of cloud + bigdata - like the saying goes - "Big Data gives the cloud something to do"
Jeff Kelly
streaming analytics capabilities are critically important in IoT scenarios
John Furrier
Love the comment from Dave on Data as a Service category is emerging huge
Crowd Captain
data is the fuel that runs financial services says Roji +1
Jeff Frick
@Furrier > Craig Barrett f/ @intel used to say
#TTM didn't stand for Time to Market, but Time to Money.
#TechAthlete
Jeff Frick
> Also, unique value in the organizations' proprietary data... that other's don't have.
Jeff Kelly
@JeffFrick even more value when combining outside data sources with internal propriety data - competitors can't replicate that.
Katlen Tillman
the entire data center is the computer! @daveshac that's very powerful thought @mthiele10
Jeff Frick
> add the "s" even more powerful.... the Data Centers are the computer.
Katlen Tillman
@JeffFrick data centers = the ultimate super computer
Stuart Miniman
Wikibon research on "Mega Data Centers" http://wikibon.org/w...
Jeff Frick
Fantastic (old - published in 2000) book discussing how even at the speed of light, distance matters.
http://goo.gl/f8zvjJ
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John Furrier
yes their is a huge rebirth of "systems programming" which was huge in the 80s - it's back and it's cloud
Katlen Tillman
Thanks everyone for joining. Today's chat -- #datagravity will be starting in just a few moments. Where are people joining from today? I am in Seattle
John Furrier
in cloudy Palo Alto literally
John Furrier
Mark is awesome Switch rocks
CrowdFather
@furrier Is it true Switch has armed security in their datacenters?
Crowd Captain
Dave Vellante is in the "boat"
Wendy White
finally joined from salt lake city today :)
John Furrier
Great point about "ownership of data" - is this an opportunity or will it slow down adoption for enterprises? Or will the game change to make adoption go faster
Dave Vellante
In FS - everyone is accessing identical base data so that creates great opportunities to add value to common data sets that are 'grounded'
Dave Vellante
"Sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make" (and we're not talking red sox here)
Stuart Miniman
Agreed - best users are figuring out how to combine own data with industry and other sources. Unlocking value of information rather than just storing it.
John Bara
.#growthhacker is the dumbest term of 2104
Crowd Captain
Growth hacker is a "hipster" trend
John Bara
growthhacker = inexperienced marketer
Katlen Tillman
i should change my title then ;)
Katlen Tillman
walked right into that one!
Crowd Captain
Just break stuff
John Bara
@katlen out of synch is part of #crowchat fun!
Crowd Captain
I wish I had the handles of the guests to tweet them
John Furrier
I love the crowdchat with video and tweeting
Tim Crawford
@CrowdCaptain Heard recently: If we're not failing, we're not trying hard enough.