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Q7. Serious now... Could a good copy data solution or #catalog replace a traditional "backup" solution?

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some may say no way bc backup is a ingrained mindset

Sathya Sankaran

YES! #catalog is the #missingpiece

backup will swim with the fishes

Yes, but only if you're keeping copies on separate hardware, not just on the primary. And also off-site.

yes no question - you could use the catalog as a general purpose copy management solution or apply it to backup use cases - assuming good snapshot tech is in place

I think backup is the obvious first use case step for catalog

IMO, what you need is a universal catalogue that blends all tech. Snaps, BU, CDP, Replication, etc... You can then match the service level to the app.

Does it replace backup or just become the backup. The function of protecting data still exists, but it is integrated into the #SnapCracklePop Software or #Snapalog

@ We adopt better technology quickly once we know enough so I would say yes

Storage Alchemist

@furrier right on John, do we ever think this will change?

@JLivens Totally agree, but the #SnapCracklePop software has to then start communicating with the admin in SLO terms. I want X RTO for this app and Y RTO for that app. Go do it Mr. #SnapCracklePop Software

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With the RIGHT #catalog, an open minded IT guy should be able to see the value in it and stop thinking about the traditional backup solutions that they know and love so dearly.

Snapalog is basically bringing disk up to 1990s backup technology. Why the disk vendors never built their own catalogs is a mystery no one can solve.

change will happen with better tech, functionality, and economics

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@furrier #snaponomics

@Peter_Eicher Yes, but a Snapalog is creating another catalogue island. You want an uber catalogue that subsumes the snapalog.

@JLivens Why can't the #snapalog become the uber catalog?

@storageswiss One catalog to rule them all.

@storageswiss It could. I don't really care what you call it. However, snapalog makes it sound like it only does snaps which defeats the purpose, IMO.

Storage Alchemist

@furrier agreed, we need to change w/ #copydatasolutions #catalog

@Peter_Eicher right. if the #snapalog is off primary storage system no reason why it can't support everything.

Storage Alchemist23

Q6. With the right tools are, is it a #datacatalog? and what do you think the real cost savings or ROI could be?

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Sathya Sankaran

@skenniston, Absolutely! Not using one is penny wise pound foolish! #Catalog is key

Here's some data from @dfloyer using a 20 filer example http://wikibon.org/w...

I think that this is getting close to a traditional archive. That is moving old/redundant data onto less expensive storage.

NetApp snapshot tech is among the best in the business but most/many customers are not taking full advantage

Storage Alchemist

@dvellante they have been talking about leveraging snaps for decades... why haven't people done this?

@dvellante I think we need a better term than Snapshot Catalog... Does not really describe what is going on.

Agree that catalog/index is critical. Especially as you start to move snaps/copies across tiers, across sites, etc.

Storage Alchemist

@storageswiss what does describe it best? -

@JLivens Flape! (Flash + tape) :-)

"Catalog" is basically borrowed from the backup world. What people are used to. It's intuitive. But that doesn't mean it's necessarily the best choice.

You have to get the snapshot off the primary storage system. Too much can go wrong with your snapshot and your data on primary storage

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@JLivens can you do this, while at the same time reducing the overall creation of copies?

@storageswiss Snapshot + Catalog = Snapalog

@storageswiss #snapalog

@Peter_Eicher Stealing a term from an industry that most think is dead and I have to convince them that it is not is probably not the best marketing strategy.

Duplicates will always exist because people will create them. The question is how long until you can remove them.

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@Peter_Eicher LOVE IT - I am stealing it... NICE ONE

@Peter_Eicher #GreatMindsAlike ;-)

IMO, duplicates if managed effectively aren't actually an issue.

@Peter_Eicher Control center, deck of Enterprise...I think we have had this conversation!

@ttessks Once or twice. Or ten times.

@JLivens But does anyone manage them? How many TB of wasted space are holding duplicates that are over a year old? I think most admins just don't know.

Let's get with Kellog's... SnapCracklePop. Manage your snapshots, crack your backup windows in half and Pop your applications back into production.

I agree and it becomes a matter of priorities and pain. People often focus elsewhere where the perceived pain is higher.

Love the #snapanomics terminology