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#netappchatEnterprise IT PredictionsThought leaders from NetApp and industry professionals discuss 2014 Enterprise IT predictions.
Krishna Subramanian
What do you make of all the talk that the CIO is dead? Seems like this prediction comes out every time there is a paradigm shift. Are they dead or just confused and struggling with where to begin?
John Furrier
That is BS CIOs are moving to p&l like roles and in some cases running IT as Profit / Loss assuming they can negotiate the facilities cost away :-)
Krishna Subramanian Good point. CIOs seem to be evolving to a business role of an internal service provider. Esp seeing this where IT caters to many BUs and departments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoMhYW9kMTQ
John Furrier
CIOs are more important than ever imo but the mindset issue is key..transformation is hard and takes guts and brains..gets harder when a new developer environment is upon them as well
Gordon Haff Agreed. I speak with lots of sharp CIOs. But I don't doubt that some are lost at sea when it comes to today's pace of change.
Gordon Haff
Makes for good linkbait. The idea that we'll have every department just doing own IT thing is, um, misguided :-)
Krishna Subramanian Agreed. But ShadowIT is happening. I was talking to a CIO yesterday who said they discovered through Travel&Expense audits that 35 unauthorized cloud apps were in use at their company. All expensed as T&E!
ScottLindars
CIOs are so well poised to range the role of IT and be a strategic player for business units. Great time to be a CIO if you're company is going #cloud
Dave Vellante that's a great comment - cloud can make the CIO a hero if it's done right
Dave Vellante
CIOs aren't dead - just another transformation
Dave Vellante
interesting meme going on abt the Chief Data Officer, CDO. Many believe CDO should not report to CIO and should be an independent role - sets up an interesting power play
Krishna Subramanian Interesting. Who is responsible for compliance then? CDO or CIO?
Data Definer
In some orgs, the CIO may know more about ops than some of the people that run ops!
ScottLindars I don't want to work there
Gordon Haff
Shadow IT paid for by department isn't necessarily a bad thing. But need guidelines.
Gordon Haff
Of course, it can also be evidence of services that IT should be providing and isn't.
John Furrier
how real is all this stuff and what needs to be done to make the world truly software defined?
Gordon Haff
The organizational impact of software-defined is almost as interesting to me as the technologies.
ScottLindars Which part of the IT org do you think is most impacted with Software defined (fill in the blank)
John Furrier the mindset is what I see as the number 1 issue.. primary storage mgt isn't like it used to be many CIOs tell me.. it's actively part of the app design for the big data volume and velocity
ScottLindars
Very real, but far from done. But today's production clouds are proof
Gordon Haff Agreed. Although many of today's production clouds had benefit of being greenfield.
Gordon Haff Who most affected by software defined? Anyone w an empire. Virtualization, storage, network admins esp.
Bhumik Patel
It's about customers looking to extend their success in server virtualization and defining all aspects of the data center in software. Mostly for achieving certain levels of SLAs by orchestrating it all in s/w.
ScottLindars +1. This is ongoing evolution of great strides already made
Jesse Anderson
SDS is real, no longer a buzz word. As the software matures, we will see ourselves moving toward software features instead of hardware features.
John Furrier yes true but #SDDC is a buzzword that hasn't been defined
Data Definer
Software-Defined is in early days; very useful for hybrid cloud scenarios.
Zadara Storage
very real. On the storage sys end it has a huge impact on both cost and agility of deployment.
Bhumik Patel
Software defined "anything" is a top 10 strategic initiative for customers http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2603623. One more reason to get this right with proven solutions that extend the software-defined notions for all types of clouds #vcloud suite
John Furrier
One issue discussed is #AWS vs #Openstack? The enterprise wants Hybrid. @merv and I talked about it on @theCUBE and the discussion is which approach will be best..thoughts
ScottLindars
Ent looking for hybrid needs to think about worklloads first, then where to run them. Can #AWS or #OpenStack fit all your workload needs?
Gordon Haff
Doesn't need to be #openstack vs. #AWS. Use both with hybrid cloud management (what Gartner calls a cloud management platform).
John Furrier I spoke with Tom Georgens about this and embracing #AWS is what customers want and that is good business kudos to Netapp for that #opportunity
Gordon Haff
Enterprises will be hybrid in other ways as well. E.g. pretty much everyone will use some SaaS.
Krishna Subramanian Well said. Hybrid cuts many ways - on-premise and off-premise, IT-delivered and 3rd party.
Bhumik Patel #Hybrid is enabling the transition to the cloud faster. It's for customers to choose which services to be hosted on vs. off prem. #vCHS provides lot of these choices for enterprises today.
ScottLindars
Hybrid strategy needs to start with what you will run on-prem, off prem, where to manage, and then find the right proivder
Gordon Haff Yep. Did a webinar w #redhat CIO @lcongdon We talked comprehensive app portfolio mgmt and using #openshift PaaS
Tim Crawford
The IT hybrid #cloud is not about tech (#OpenStack vs #AWS). It's about approach.
John Furrier so it's hypervisor independent then
Data Definer Agreed; but would Swift adopting the S3 API limit the competition between OpenStack and AWS?
Gordon Haff @furrier Indeed, not just multi-hypervisor but also other techs like containers.
Tim Crawford @furrier Yes, it's hypervisor independent.
Tim Crawford We need an ecosystem where there is a reasonable amount of interoperability between major players. That will lead to greater adoption.
Krishna Subramanian
How about neither and both :) It will be a world of many clouds. #AWS for public scale, #Openstack to get your hands dirty and build a cloud for cloud-native apps, #Cloudstack for production clouds running both traditional and cloud-native apps
Gordon Haff We're seeing plenty of interest in #OpenStack for production apps too :-)
Gordon Haff Cloud management platforms are one of the keys to bridging traditional & cloud-native apps. Middleware integration services another.
Adam Fore
Agree with Gordon. It doesn't need to be #openstack vs #AWS. Customers want hybrid and flexibility to move freely between clouds
Zadara Storage +1 Customers seek a flexible multi-cloud approach
Data Definer
Perhaps the best question is: "Which one delivers the best operational efficiency?" #AWS #OpenStack
ScottLindars Goes back to use cases and workloads, either could be the best, it's a big "it depends"
Krishna Subramanian Also depends on what use cases you want to support. #AWS #OpenStack useful for web-scale apps, we see enterprises needing more support for traditional apps as well. Example: Governments using @citrix, @netapp, @cisco http://www.citrix.com.tw/
Dave Vellante
Who's going to re:Invent next week? This is a great topic for discussion to keep going there...
ScottLindars
Lot's of us from the @Citrix team will be there
John Furrier we want to see you guys for sure
John Furrier
We will be there with @theCUBE
Krishna Subramanian
I will be there with @Citrix team showing how we simplify hybrid cloud with #AWS APIs in #cloudstack
Zadara Storage
We'll be there with #NetAppAWS talking #Enterprise Storage as a Service, and our new NetApp by the hour - Looking forward to see you there.
ScottLindars
Who out there in the audience is working on a cloud project today?
John Furrier
we are building something but it's not that big and not enterprise
ScottLindars Great clouds don't need to start big!
Crowd Captain
Shadow IT is the new R&D for enterprise guys
ScottLindars Great for R&D. Not so much for IT. That's why CIO need to say yes and enable business units to run on their own
Samantha Moulton
#NetAppAdvocate @kirk_at_work from Children's Hospital Central CA (@CareForKids) just finished a big #cloud project, asking him to weigh in...
Dave Vellante
just got off the phone w/ a group of orcl experts - said the only mission critical work they're doing in the cloud is small - but they believe it's coming
ScottLindars But they are looking at mission critical, that's great. Past the hype, now down to (small) brass tacks
Krishna Subramanian Many clouds today are greenfield - low-hanging fruit. But customers want to manage all apps in the cloud. Key is not having to rewrite traditional apps. http://tinyurl.com/lbxs7na
Data Definer
Can flash storage technology meet cloud service providers' needs? How?
Data Definer
In other words, how does Flash take availability, scalability and efficiency to a new level?
Bhumik Patel One aspect is to further enable application use cases
John Furrier
many service providers are focused on big data and that impacts the kinds of apps they are deploying so the flash conversation is very interesting in that area.. so over the top services must have low latency minimum reqs
Sean Luce
Yes. Flash allows providers to react quickly to provide the performance and worry about scaling the capacity over time.
Adam Fore
Flash provides a higher performance tier in a providers service
Gordon Haff
One argument for Flash at SPs is reduce multi-tenant performance impact. Not sure economics always work though.
Dave Vellante
QoS key for flash in the cloud
Gordon Haff
Suspect that we're going to move away from what's been largely homogeneous storage (modulo tape) but unclear how will play out.
Data Definer
Q: Do you see CIOs struggling to find talent to meet the demands of Hybrid IT?
Gordon Haff
It's definitely new skills. Much more manager of services and cross-tech. (Not just virtualization admin 2.0)
Adam Fore Yes, the skills include business understanding of service partners such as contracts terms, partner viability and risk assessment
John Furrier
I don't get that much instead it's more about mindset of folks who are storage admins having to adjust to think about the impact of persistence - impact to backup & recovery processes often not thought about when rolling out new infra
ScottLindars
I would think so. How many people are out there with 5, 10 years of cloud experience?
ScottLindars
IT becomes a internal service provider, brokering services and being a partner to business units. New territory for the avg IT person
Tim Crawford
Yes. For a number of reasons related to traditional IT thinking. Need to change the paradigm. Plus new skills needed.
Data Definer
RT @NetApp #NetAppChat coming to a close. Great session with lots of good questions and answers.
John Furrier
How do Cloud , Flash and SDS work together in the enterprise to deliver seamless solutions and performance efficiency? #flash #devops #cloud #openstack
Jesse Anderson
The combination of cloud, flash, and SDS allows for
ScottLindars
Together Ent can run workloads with the same SLA and requirements they have in the datacenter
Jesse Anderson
The combination of cloud, flash, and SDS allows for customers to have more flexibility today then ever before. Customers are using them in creative ways to increase local productivity.
Gordon Haff Though using those tiers efficiently & easily has been something of a challenge. (But need to get there.)
Gordon Haff Especially as it looks as if we're headed towards having class of very big devices & class of very fast devices.
Zadara Storage
it's about taking the best of each world to bring a more powerful solution: cloud for elasticity and agility, flash for speed and caching, and SDS for flexibility and efficiency.
Krishna Subramanian
moving to the #cloud is a journey - getting the world to be software defined will take time. Customers are seeing success when they start with select use cases and expand. Good example - USP uses @NetApp and @Citrix. http://tinyurl.com/ppalrss