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Lot of enteprise will start looking at Cloud Service brokers to deliver IT-as-a-Service

I am seeing and hearing mass acceleration especially this current quarter with deals being done fast (budget flush) but 2014 should be a busy year of building out and refreshing architectures.. hybrid cloud is no brainer for IT

ScottLindars hybrid direction was loud in clear at Gartner Symposium this fall

I am hearing about enterprises thinking about how they can innovate on top of cloud more than whether they should go that route

Chip Childers and that's an important shift in thinking!

Krishna Subramanian

Hybrid cloud models across public and private, leveraging clouds to go beyond greenfield use cases to traditional enterprise apps are two topics I hear about a lot from customers.

CIOs that I speak with are taking a very holistic approach as part of larger outsourcing/nearshoring strategies #netappchat

Aaron Delp I agree with Michael (hey dude!) on this one. As the pieces come into focus Ent's are stepping back and thinking bigger and longer term

I brought up #sdn in cloud bc this might be a pacing item in deployment on services Cisco, and Juniper have to move fast because mobile apps and byod pressure is bursting at the seams

Aaron Delp The big push and interest around SDN stems from networking being the last frontier of automation. Storage, compute, virtualization all solved already. Network (network services LBaaS, VPN, FW) are hard

Richard Denyer SDN becomes a bigger play as more people move to cloud as its pretty hard to deploy hardware in the cloud

Outsourcing is in all industries. A hybrid cloud solution will start to become more popular. I believe the DevOps will be the ones to push this move.

Michael Keen exactly Ryan. These CIOs r putting "cloud" of all flavors into their larger sourcing strategies #netappchat

I see a bifurcated enterprise - those w/head in the sand "no public cloud" and those that embrace

Krishna Subramanian This seems to be changing - most CIOs I speak with now are looking at hybrid cloud strategies. The challenge I hear is that a pure public cloud doesn't work in many situations - security, compliance issues.

I would add that I see "pockets" of cloud based on workloads in most large Enterprises. "One Cloud to rule them all" for an entire Enterprise is unlikely

Per Gartner.. 2014 will be an inflection point year in which the early phases of cloud adoption will come to an end and organizations will get serious about using public and hybrid cloud services

@cloudKrishna when you say "doesn't work" (security) what do you mean?

Kailas Jawadekar13

Is converged infrastructure for cloud getting any traction?

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absolutely! it's a gr8 way to reduce time, cost, and risk for enterprises and service providers #netappchat

Chip Childers

converged infrastructure is absolutely getting traction, but it's not the same as "cloud". You can build clouds with it, but I think it's just as valuable in other configurations.

I'm not sure what converged infra for cloud means? hardware or software?

Chip Childers converged infra = things like VCE vBlocks

Michael Keen all of it John. Converged hardware being managed with cloud platforms like CloudStack. Was doing this with last gig #netappchat

Kailas Jawadekar Yup. VCE vBlocks etc. It doesn't have to be for cloud only, but thats a big use case being touted.

John Furrier @KailasJawadekar are you seeing VCE in cloud?

saw this directly with mid-tier telco providers who were looking to reduce that time, cost, risk exposure w/ a proven and tested platform. #netappchat

Zumasys has two converged infrastructures for cloud in place. We've been doing this for years now. It just make more sense mgmt/cost wise.

I can see time savings with converged, however how does cost work out vs DIY?

Michael Keen cost takes many forms, test/dev time, some vendors offering OpEx model, w/ some converged solutions providers can role in and be rev ready in 30 days vs. DIY #netappchat

I see this as an easy foundation to build opon. Why build a foundation anymore? Let somebody else do the heavy lifting (and boring parts) so you can focus on what matters

John Furrier11

@dvellante and I were broadcasting @theCUBE at #reinvent AWS show and we said AWS is like a tidal wave hitting the enterprise the question is how far onshore will the water flow - meaning how much of the enterprise will it take b4 other respond?

AWS is definitely hot but how much they can break into the enterprises is something we need to wait and see

They will have a sizable marketshare few years down but nowhere near the monopoly status pundits are predicting

It's a good model, but leaves a lot of room for a personalized experience. Not everyone is looking for just hardware cloud solutions. They need a provider to help them through the entire stack.

Michael Keen this is where we will c the local telcom providers step up their game. They have the "trusted provider" relationship that enterprises r looking for IMO

Chip Childers AWS has much more than just "hardware cloud solutions". They are leading through a variety of services with a variety in the services' levels of abstraction. They are also leading by providing different ways to compose the services.

Ryan Beaty @chipchilders So they actually help you with more than spinning up some servers and giving you some resources? When was the last time they helped someone with software living inside the VM?

Chip Childers Every time they provision an RDS instance, they help with those VMs. It's not a "managed OS" question. It's about completely abstracting away the details of a specific architectural component.

Eyes are on it, time will tell on adoption, but I think there will be a lot of tire kicking for sure

Pundits usually miss out the impact of OSS till it actually happen

Crowd Captain @michael_keen says many taking holistic approach - I agree and would add that the Datacenter operating system will include hybrid cloud architectures hence increasing value of OSS and its impact

RE: OS & CS co-exist and grow. I believe there is room for both projects. Many lump them (and vCloud) into the IaaS bucket when all three have very different architectures under the hood and handle workloads differently. Many don't get that

RE: AWS, they will grow as public cloud grows but the challenges often aren't technical in nature, they are political and compliance challenges that often stand in the way

Krishna Subramanian

Enterprises are looking at hybrid strategies - mix of public and private clouds. Many may not go fully public - virtual private clouds (public hosted but walled) may end up being the right answer.

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customer today told the @wikibon crew they spend $7B/yr on IT and w/in 5 yrs 20% will be public cloud

susanwu8810

Any vendors out there having success selling cloud outside of IT?

I think selling outside IT is called "Shadow IT" :-)

Chip Childers exactly

Krishna Subramanian IT is starting to take note - I was talking with a CIO last week who said an audit of their travel expenses showed 26 unauthorized cloud services were being used by employees! Imagine the security issues!

I would say the early days were dominated by selling outside IT. Only now IT has woken up and rushing ahead

"success"? not really, but traction with some going around IT to the business units for sure #netappchat

We are selling cloud very well to the agriculture industry.

ScottLindars The agriculture industry has been sold clouds for decades with Cloud Seeding :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Ryan Beaty Nice!

selling "cloud" started outside of IT... LOB devs are who are buying it from outside the enterprise, which is what woke up the industry and the IT departments

Michael Keen there was not "selling" involved. It was dev guys using corp cards and expensing it to get cloud services IMO #netappchat

Chip Childers so the only "selling" is traditional enterprise sales models? There are many other ways to sell something. ;-)

Michael Keen that was my point Chip, lots of ways to get the services, not really "selling" in the normal sense #netappchat

Chip Childers agreed then... apparently violent agreement all around on this one.

I still see cases (especially with newer technologies) where IT is getting bypassed.

Partly because of punditry's hype about IT becoming irrelevant. But things are changing fast. IT is being an enabler these days

we're all on the same page here, lots of cloud adoption has started grass roots, ad hoc by BUs and individuals

Krishna Subramanian10

Customers are definitely looking for open source solutions in the cloud for greater control and flexibility. Technologies like Openstack and @cloudstack are getting support of traditional and new vendors.

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and Enterprise appetite and acceptance for OSS is growing. We'll see more and more of that in 2014

I have been hearing lots of complains about Openstack privately in that it is still not ready for prime time.. no one wants to say that publically..what do you think? Cloudstack also has an active community like Openstack

Tarun Thakur not sure -- just heard from big customers this week on how OpenStack is gaining momentum on prod workloads - and, they were very vocal

ScottLindars both are OSS, but CloudStack and @CloudPlatform have hundreds of production clouds. Hype vs implementation.

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Krish Subramanian Not sure I agree. When outside of Red Hat, I have seen big orgs using both platforms.

Aaron Delp I can't comment on OS, I can say when I was at the CloudStack Collab conference it was a very different audience. Folks were running in production and trying to help each other optimize their environments

Krish Subramanian I would say it depends on their needs and existing investyments/relationships

Krishna Subramanian Open source clouds do work - Cloudstack has a great community and 500+ production clouds running at scale - Edmunds, Spotify, TomTom, BT, Bell Canada, Disney,...

Tarun Thakur not sure -- just heard from big customers this week on how OpenStack is gaining momentum on prod workloads - and, they were very vocal

We can see by the growth of organizations interested in contributing to both projects

John Furrier We've debated this in an early CrowdChat but can you share to the audience why they both can coexist and grow..this is important distinction that many don't undertstand in the noise of cloud market

John Furrier10

First up what areas of the enterprise do you think will be the most disrupted areas that predictions will be falling into?

Virtualization, Storage, and Media

Virtualization is the main area

virtualization and networking

John Furrier what kind of #sdn flavor do you see in the cloud model of say openstack.. new services or same old networking model?

We are going to see disruption in Virtualization coming from the container side. Containers are getting maturity and simplicity

Aaron Delp I agree with Krish... LXC and containers have huge interest right now

Moving about specific technology, the relationship between IT and business units, as IT starts to deliver IT services

susanwu88

Sales and Marketing, due to data volume, velocity and make timely decisions on them @netapp @citrixcloud

We are going to see business units more empowered while IT staying relevant through agility gained from newer technologies

ScottLindars hopefully the two are coming to the table together in 2014

DevOps enabled by cloud and container technology is going to play a key role in this relationship transformation

Ryan Beaty For sure, I see DevOps actually driving the move to a hybrid or full cloud infrastructure.

ScottLindars8

Whats the next ?aaS that will emerge in 2014?

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I think that datacenter as a service will be huge in that customers will order datacenters not boxes

ScottLindars Will Amazon deliver that by a drone in 30 minutes?

as it relates to something I'm engaged with right now "application modernization" I think you will see Private Saas, so would you call that PSaaS? #netappchat

Chip Childers

DBaaS, NoSQLaaS, LBaaS, etc... composable services are already here, and continue to grow in traction in 2014. (http://www.cumulogic.com/)

Chip Childers @ScottLindars yes, that was a shameless URL plug for my $dayjob

ScottLindars We all need to be a little shamless

XaaS. i.e. really anything as a service delivered though a cloud broker.

Chip Childers I'm not sure I buy into "Broker" yet. Time will tell on that one.

Intelligence as a Service (Big Data, Analytics, Contextual Web, etc. adding to the mix)

Security-as-a-Service

Krishna Subramanian

Education-aaS. Universities are moving to offer all their IT as cloud services. Univ of Sao Paulo is a great example - student cloud, academic cloud, admin cloud for all their users. http://www.citrix.com/customers/university-of-sao-paulo-

I'm waiting for "service-as-a-service" to emerge #circular_reference

John Furrier I hear @theCUBE as a service will be huge

Jeff Frick

DataScientists aaS - Souped up Mechanical Turk? - Isn't MasterCard already offering something like this, use their data science expertise/infrastructure on your data?