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#NetAppChat#NetAppChatMaking Sense of the Hybrid IT Mix: Flash, Cloud, Software-Defined
John Furrier
Question: In #SDDC talk about the software piece and the physical datacenter piece..implications to both in new modern IT architecture
Jeff Frick
Love it, Software defined everything, makes sense, much more flexible, easier to evolve
Adam J. Bergh Exactly, all of the innovation will be on software side and not necessarily the hardware side of storage in the future.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight @jbergh I think there's plenty of room left for HW innovation, but it's now gotta stand out as slave to the new SW master :)
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
data centers are like the new motherboards. #SDDC lets you think of easily tapping many resources at scale with the same effort you would use for 1 program to maximize a "PC's" resources
John Furrier what about the instrumentation of components in the holistic view of the #datacenter -will that be a big data challenge or #internetofthings
Christopher Wells
Software piece becomes almost the entire pie in a #SDDC. Hardware becomes a small slice.
Ryan Beaty
Physical hardware will always be around. Managing the hardware cohesively will be key as IT departments shrink and tech gets more complicated.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
Ubiquitous standardization of hardware is the other consequence. Not so much from a programming perspective, mostly from a management of equip lifecycle at scale
Adam J. Bergh
It's really and exciting time to be involved in datacenter tech. The evolution of the DC is happening at a much more rapid pace then I have ever seen. The push for a truly #SDDC is a big reason why.
vmiss
abstraction is key in #SDDC, it gives the ability to be agile and flexible, to enable IT organizations to accelerate their business' requirements, regardless of the hardware
Christopher Wells
In the context of VMware, we can think of the #SDDC components like VMs that can be moved around automatically. Call it vDatacenter Motion, in VMware parlance.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight VM's that can be instantiated, moved, grown, shrunk, repurposed, hibernated, rejuvinated - and eventually killed :)
Ryan Beaty
Internal IT depts will need to start acting more like Service Providers and quickly spin up and down services quickly for internal departments. The need for charge back and gaining pace as well.
Jeff Frick This was the theme at ServiceNow, AWS is forcing internal IT to start treating their constituents like real customers
Bhumik Patel
In context of #SDS the abstraction, pooling and automation concepts of #SDDC should aim to deliver storage level services for faster app provisioning.
Adam J. Bergh
The use of flash and 10GBe and soon 40GBe in the DC have been the only real game changing innovations in the DC on the hardware side. Software on the other hand is transforming how entire business are being run.
Jesse Anderson Hardware can only do so much. Software is where the problems are being solved.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight yes those innovations are visible now. Near-term future is even more exciting with Memory-Channel Storage (MCS) as precursor to full Storage-Class Memory. Think storage literally at memory speeds! Gonna need some even faster interconnects now :D
Jason E. Knight Cisco designed UCS with #SDDC in mind so the plumbing itself becomes static, #NetApp cDOT very similarly does the same with storage.
Jeff Frick Just saw a Gartner / IO presentation on innovation in usage, configuration strategy that yielded giant utilization improvements #IODataCenters
Crowd Captain
The crowd likes this topic and is activated --Nice
Bhumik Patel
So with #VMware and #NetApp, we are integrating at all levels of #SDDC providing customers maximum leverage of their investments https://communities.netapp.com/community/netapp-blogs/netapp-360/blog/2013/10/16/vmware-and-netapp-int
Bhumik Patel This includes #SDDC #automation level integration - leveraging #ONTAP software abstractions to provision key storage services as part of our #vCloud orchestration allowing #IAAS solutions to be delivered
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight great reminder that SDDC/SDN/SDS has some excellent applications today, even as the technology matures to the satisfaction of mainstream and eventually late adopters
Stuart Miniman
a move to a software model does not necessarily mean that hardware is all commodity. Read much more at http://wikibon.org/SLI
Christopher Wells Agree, but the majority of the M&A and R&D money will and continue to be spent on software. Hardware will become more and more general-purposed.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
@sockeyes51@ajbergh btw - disk and even tape haven't given up the ghost yet. They're racing Flash down the value chain in their own dimensions of $/capacity and $/TCO for warm and cold data respectively...
Jesse Anderson
It's in the software that is deployed on that which makes the difference. #CDOT, #NetApp, #VMware and #Flexpods are really showing what the software can do for #clouds.
Christopher Wells Imagine going further toward making that software hardware-agnostic and you can really see the agility come into play, the beauty of #SDDC.
Christopher Wells
Does anyone have a take on how automation and orchestration will come into play? How can we build a "skynet" without it becoming 'Skynet'? Is how it works up to the users or the programs?
Bhumik Patel
One concrete example of how #VMware and #NetApp are leveraging orchestration is via integrations with #vCAC and #WFA - leveraging storage abstraction from #ONTAP to setup app level provisioning faster http://www.netapp.com/in/media/tr-4217.pdf
Christopher Wells And the best part, this is just the beginning!
Bhumik Patel With the ultimate goal of giving customers options to leverage #storage as a service for their #SDDC
Ryan Beaty
I feel automation is starting to become another buzz word and everyone is going to start wanting automation soon if not already.I think organizing all of the automation solutions will be a task in itself.
Christopher Wells Ah yes. You and I are on the same page. Need intelligence (read: AI) built into the system... hence the 'Skynet' reference ;)
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight remember the ISO9000 craze? Everyone thought strict adherence equated to quality output. All it resulted in was strong correlation of process quality to outcome rather than process content as intended ;)
Adam J. Bergh
I don't see automation has a completely hands off approach to completing complex tasks. I see it as another way of creating validity and repeatability to complex tasks to insure data integrity.
vmiss but what if the automation tool could "learn" when new systems/components were added? that isn't too far off, just a few variables...
Christopher Wells At some point, the users will need to trust the programs to get it right. Assuming that the programs have been created by good users, not evil ones...
Data Definer
First, determine if cloud models are even appropriate for their biz problems.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
love the analogy! we're a long way from programs running the show, but with sea of resources to orchestrate the progs will certainly provide infra curation services via automation & orchestration to help qualified humans make good decisions
John Furrier
What is SDS and how does that relate to the mega cloud trend?
Adam J. Bergh
To me SDS really means that I am tied to only one vendors hardware. #NetApp facilitates with ONTAP Edge, V-series, and Clustered ONTAP.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
#SDS has matured to more than a buzzword now. There are some real value scenarios focused on agile app (1) development & (2) deployment
Adam J. Bergh
#SDS means that the software defines the value, and not necessarily the underlying hardware.
Stuart Miniman
large cloud providers have storage solutions that are software-based, typically on servers rather than arrays - this methodology is coming to the enterprise
Data Definer If hyperscalers hw comes to entprse, what does that mean for storage vendors?
Data Definer
A1: SDS is defined in software; provisioned based on policy/service level; and deployed on any hardware.
Bhumik Patel Agree and a critical aspect of SDS is to be able to identify infrastructure requirements from applications & deliver them in policy based manner
Bhumik Patel
For customers, #SDS is one critical component of defining their overall #cloud strategy - be it public, private or hybrid...
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
for development SDS offers rich data protection & data management services exposed directly to code, helping generate more data-rich apps more quickly
Nick Howell
I think users are still figuring that out for themselves, and it's going to be subjective to each end user. It's up to the industry to define what we're capable of doing for them.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
@furrier for deployment SDS offers very agile infrastructure options tailored to specific app needs and always right-sized for the workload at hand
Ryan Beaty
Storage is becoming a commodity. It is the software that extends the functionality of products. #SDS
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight correct! But remember, storing data is table-stakes. Serving it at the right service levels, (Geo) replicating it and analyzing is where it gets interesting! :)
Bhumik Patel
So practically, customers should be looking to leverage #SDS to accelerate their journey to the cloud...by means of abstraction of storage, #policy-based automation and delivering faster storage services
John Furrier
@mail2fashion says http://twitter.com/mail2fashion/status/393454027343548416
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Data Definer
My approach to SDS is Virtualized Storage Services; Multi-Vendor Hardware; & Application Self-Service. Agree?
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight agree. But also programmatic access to storage deployment as well as rich storage services (dedupe, thin cloning, thin replication, VM image shift, etc...) all on demand! :)
Sean Luce
One of the benefits of a #SDS is creating repeatable processes for provisioning and protecting your data regardless of the underlying hardware/infrastructure.
Jeff Frick
http://twitter.com/SamMoulton/status/393459461202780160
SamMoulton
RT @sockeyes51: @furrier There has to be a balance between private and public clouds. Chargeback (as mentioned) i... #netappchat via https:…
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John Furrier
Many say cloud is great but many say control is important..private cloud (on prem) gives control & cost more & public cloud cost less with less control..CIOs want to know the key tradeoffs wrt storage #cloud #storage #datacenter
Nick Howell
I would argue that that is an old concern. Those processes are improving everyday with enhanced RBAC and more granular API SDK's to control who can do what to what and when.
Adam J. Bergh I agree with this, but old thoughts die a long death. How do we ease concerns about this?
Jason E. Knight Control is bigger than who has access to the data. What about the cloud company that goes out of business and gives their users two weeks to get their data?
Adam J. Bergh
One big challenge is data integrity. Insuring the validity and security of data as it moves between private and public clouds.
vmiss yes, integrety is key, and things like NetApp Private Storage for AWS can answer that
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight it's always easy to overlook the foundational stuff, but when the foundation architecture can be as elastic as this scope, real innovation must step up to make sure it doesn't snap! Enuf mixed metaphors for now? :D
Bhumik Patel
Great point and it's more relevant than ever as Software Defined "anything" (SDx) is a top strategic tech trends http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2603623 @furrier
Ryan Beaty
I think every org is different for on prem or cloud being the "cheapest" solution. You have to find that right balance for your org's ROI before investing too heavily one way or the other.
Data Definer
Unless orgs have plan to tie cloud services and on-prem together, it can turn into an integration nightmare.
Jesse Anderson
There has to be a balance between private and public clouds. Chargeback (as mentioned) is going to come into play for the private to help with internal costs if implemented correctly.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight exactly - if you're not talking about chargeback (or at least showback) at some point - you ain't talkin cloud ;)
Data Definer
It's abt defining ops, biz processes, & tech as services-within & beyond the entprse.
Bhumik Patel
#SDS vision from #VMware Office of CTOhttp://cto.vmware.com/vmwares-strategy-for-software-defined-storage/
Dave Vellante
Where does AWS fit into this discussion? Are they the future of SDS?
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
today, AWS probably offers the leading example of #SDS. You effectively define and purchase via service level, not even knowing how it's implemented (if tho sometime you really want to ;) Lack of control is both blessing & curse for AWS SDS
Dave Vellante is it lack of control or visibility/transparency of (for example) where data is stored?
Adam J. Bergh
I think most people see AWS as the currently public cloud leader, and #NetApp has made a smart move partnering with them. However, there is a ton of growth to be had, and room for many new players, including VMware to make a big impact.
Ryan Beaty I agree. Not everyone will fit in the AWS model. Especially if your current DC is not in an AWS facility.
Christopher Wells
Good question Dave. They are definitely innovating. But there will be other players. Consistent data frameworks between providers will be key, i.e standards and common APIs.
Data Definer
With AWS, biz units seem more willing to dply new apps to cloud; but they still need an on-prem 'bridge'...
Jeff Frick
regardless of opinion, no question on the disruptive force of AWS
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
it's lack of control for guaranteeing and enforcing service levels requested. That desire for control is becoming legacy as developers are now architecting their networking, presentation & data layers around unpredictable service levels
Christopher Wells Netflix is the leader or one of the leaders in this area. Absolutely amazing stuff coming from them ;)
John Furrier
Netapp is doing a great job of embracing #AWS vs others who run for the hills to compete with #AWS; I think it's a good bet to work with them bc customers care about #AWS