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Thought leaders chatting all things related to OpenStack
   6 years ago
#openstackOpenStack SummitOpenstack thought leaders weigh in key conversations at #openstacksummit
   6 years ago
#openstackOpenStack ConversationsThought leaders chatting all things related to OpenStack
Sriram Subramanian
Does the entry of big vendors (Red Hat/ HP/ IBM) impact/ affect the smaller, but long term OpenStack players? Discuss?
Josh Barry
at the meta level, a rising tide floats all boats
Manju Ramanathpura
this is perhaps just the nature of open source. @Peter_Levine wrote an interesting article while back - http://techcrunch.co...
Why There Will Never Be Another RedHat: The Economics Of Open Source | TechCrunch
Open source software powers the world’s technology. In the past decade, there has been an inexorable adoption of open source in most aspects of computing...
Manju Ramanathpura
my take is entry of large vendors will help everyone. I for one happy that Hitachi is one of those big vendors. But as I see around, we work very closely with lot of small vendors.
John Furrier
Enterprises need the "blanket of comfort" from the big vendors bc support is HUGE issue. There is no land grab other than support imho
Jesse Proudman
I think large vendors can make the small distribution game difficult.
Sriram Subramanian
@blueboxjesse it did, with at least one earliest distros
Sriram Subramanian
but overall, they bring in the comfort and reliance that enterprise customers want
John Furrier
@ItsTheNetwork I don't agree with Levine there. The success of @hortonworks in hadoop is evidence you can make support work in #opensource no matter what generation it happens in
Jesse Proudman
They're still all delivering OpenStack incorrectly.
John Furrier
@ItsTheNetwork I love peter levine but he is drinking his own kool aid
Manju Ramanathpura
@furrier yeah - don't agree with that specific point on whether there will be another Redhat. To your point Cloudera is another company. But post make some great points around role / how big companies play in open source space.
Sriram Subramanian
i am with @furrier on this, disagree with Peter Levine
John Furrier
@ItsTheNetwork Don't for get @mapr just got $100m in funding for another use case.. plenty of beachhead for all in huge transformative markets
Josh Barry
there is only one pure play open source company that has made > $1 billion dollars. and it took them quite a while to do so.
Bert Latamore
The problem for the small companies is that the big vendors came in very early. Red Hat & Ubuntu had years to establish themselves and develop their versionsof Linux.
Sriram Subramanian
@joshbarry is that that the only metric?
Josh Barry
speaks to the difficulty of growing a pure play open source biz.
Sriram Subramanian
@joshbarry agreed; most importantly, customers are quite ready for pure play open source without the enterprise level support
Jesse Proudman
This is again because OpenStack is FUNDAMENTALLY different than every other type of OSS.
Jesse Proudman
@blueboxjesse The failure domain of an OpenStack installation is so much greater than any other standard OSS.
Sriram Subramanian
and one click installation FOR ANY complex software is mythical
Manju Ramanathpura
@blueboxjesse agree - more of a case of offering openstack as service - which is a point Peter Levine makes too ( The winning open source model turns open source 1.0 on its head. By packaging open source into a service )
Sriram Subramanian
then it's the case of having right expectations then
Bert Latamore
Also at least what people tell me is Open Stack is not yet really mature. It requires a lot of "connective tissue" between modules, which is what IBM, HP, etc., provide.
Jesse Proudman
@ItsTheNetwork Exactly. Hence why Distributions are doing it wrong.
John Furrier
What is the biggest issue facing openstack community leading up to Paris?
Jesse Proudman
IMO, it is use cases and workload descriptions. We've got to get beyond the "I have a cloud, now what?" problem.
Jesse Proudman
And it is this discussion that will begin to quiet the nay-sayers that OpenStack isn't anything more than a vendor-fest.
Evan Powell
I agree w/ Jesse. And, yet / also - we have to stop expecting enterprises to rewrite their apps.
Sriram Subramanian
managing expectations. To add to @blueboxjesse, nay-sayers don't seem to see the success stories so far
Sriram Subramanian
either they have a different yardstick, or don't seem to consider success stories at all
Jesse Proudman
@sriramhere We've heard many of the same success stories. The community needs more vocal users.
Sriram Subramanian
@blueboxjesse succesful use cases/ workloads - something that I have been talking about since Hongkong summit. We need better answers to "what to do with cloud now" questions
Jesse Proudman
@epowell101 What does that require? Goes down to the "gaps" question from earlier.
Sriram Subramanian
@blueboxjesse i think a crowdsourced wiki would be more helpful than the "official"/ foundation published case studies
Evan Powell
2nd point - OpenStack purists are somewhat in the way. W/o the true believers, communities don't form. And yet they can turn off outsiders that just want to get stuff done, IT fixed.
Sriram Subramanian
@blueboxjesse I had gone at least twice setting up a wiki for this, but resisted the temptation. May be its time
Josh Barry
one of the larger points of contention I hear and read about is the amount of labor required to stand up and manage an OpenStack environment. more success stories that include both time & people required will ease concerns (or not).
Jesse Proudman
@joshbarry OpenStack has been incorrectly delivered to users. Distributions are doing it wrong. It's a service, not a product.
Josh Barry
@blueboxjesse In my opinion, OpenStack is a project that can be bundled in many ways. :)
David H. Deans 🌐
The OpenStack Superuser site is a much needed focus on case studies http://superuser.ope... -- I'm looking forward to more stories
Superuser, the OpenStack User Publication
OpenStack Superuser is a publication built to chronicle the work of superusers, and their many accomplishments personally, professionally, and organizationally. The emphasis is on a blend of original journalism and user-generated content, ranging fro...
John Furrier
last year #openstacksummit had great case studies this year not as much as hoped; we need more use cases documented
Jesse Proudman
This has been and will be continue to be a large focus of the OpenStack summit in Paris.
John Furrier
we need @jbryce in here to weigh in
John Furrier
@blueboxjesse speaking of Paris trying to get @theCUBE there; spread the word
David H. Deans 🌐
FYI, I wrote my own editorial for Linkedin about the AT&T and Verizon case studies (I'm interested in the telecom sector) https://www.linkedin...
Exploring OpenStack Cloud Case Studies
During the course of the last twelve months the OpenStack community has advanced as more users of the leading open-source cloud technology have been reporting their progress - with the help of their
Sriram Subramanian
would love to followup with you on that. thanks for the link
David H. Deans 🌐
The upside opportunities for meaningful innovation that's driven by SDN, NFV and OpenStack is very exciting
Crowd Captain
NFV is big development
Jonathan Bryce
@furrier Atlanta had Disney, Wells Fargo, Sony PS4, AT&T, Verizon, Bloomberg (back to talk about running prod workloads), Comcast (talking about growing 5x in the last year), and more. Always looking for feedback on what you'd like to see more of though
John Furrier
@jbryce we want to amplify those "lighthouses" as those other ships want to come in the open cloud "harbor"
David H. Deans 🌐
I recall that several European telecom service providers have been early adopters of OpenStack -- perhaps they'll share current 'lessons learned' at the Paris Summit
David H. Deans 🌐
I'd like to learn more about some of the OpenStack backstories -- meaning, the path that led the early adopters to start with a proof of concept, then move to alpha/beta deployments, etc.