Krish Subramanian118
OpenStack needs to make containers first class citizens. Any arguments against this?
Rich Miller
I would make a stronger statement: Without acknowledgement and real leadership in embracing containers (& possibly NOT only LXC), OpenStack will fail to gain traction.
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@rhm2k Agree Rich.. Containers/ Modular are a must for OpenStack & #EnterpriseCloud
Krish Subramanian
Exactly what I wanted to say but didn't want to appear overzealous (on containers)
Rich Miller
Of the OpenStack 'leaders', which OpenStack vendors in addition to RH would you acknowledge as leaders in 'containerization'?
Krish Subramanian
Right now Red Hat is leading the way but I expect Market pressure to push others. I expect IBM to follow soon because they are good at finding the trends
Krish Subramanian
In fact, HP could have proved to be more visionary if they had built their Helion Cloud based on Containers (would have helped their server business much better)
Rich Miller
OK, that's tantamount to saying "RH holds sway" in addressing OpenStack & containers, and no one else has yet shown its colors.
Krish Subramanian
At this moment, no one else has put their bets but I expect it to change soon.
Rich Miller
Revised question: Who among the OpenStack BOUTIQUE vendors are container leaders? (My start is obvious: #Docker.io)
Krish Subramanian
Docker is the leader but I expect more thought leadership to come from some of the ecosystem plkayers like CloudSoft, Stackato, etc
spamaps
HP is working upstream. Upstream is taking time to try to see where containers fit in with OpenStack. Adopting a single strategy too early would lock out the others. Let it build, the crescendo will be magnificent.
Tim Crawford
Don't vendors like HP need to keep a balance between existing enterprise needs & future changes?
Krish Subramanian
@tcrawford Sure they should but Helion Cloud is supposed to be the strategy for future.
Tim Crawford
Containers are a must, but one can't ignore the existing apps/ svcs too.
Tim Crawford
I'm thinking HP Helion is just the first step to bring existing customers along. I would expect more in short order.
Krish Subramanian
I see containers as the basis for Micro Services going forward
Krish Subramanian
@tcrawford I also hope so too.
Rich Miller
Re MicroServices, I agree. However, I don't believe many of us have a uniform definition of the term.
Krish Subramanian
@rhm2k Yup. Still early stages. I expect it to develop in the coming year or two
JP Morgenthal
With the likes of Ruby, Java, Node.js, PHP, Go, being the future of appdev, why do I care abt containers as long as I have #PaaS?
Krish Subramanian
@jpmorgenthal Containers has nothing to do with language frameworks per se. It is more about encapsulating the apps for security and portability
Tim Crawford
@jpmorgenthal Good Q: Provides structure for mobility.
JP Morgenthal
Containers are great now as I have to deploy current app stacks, but in 2 years I would expect developers to leverage 1 of 3-4 #PaaS
Tim Crawford
@jpmorgenthal Meant to say that Containers provide structure for Portability.
Tim Crawford
@jpmorgenthal But do you really know which one? And will you come back to change again? Doubtful.
Krish Subramanian
@jpmorgenthal Containers are not replacement for PaaS. Rather I see it as building blocks
Krish Subramanian
I also see PaaS to evolve from where it is currently to being the orchestration layer in the Modern Enterprise platform
Krish Subramanian
@jpmorgenthal One use case: Packaging the application environment and wrap the "PaaS" as the orchestration layer on top
Floyd Strimling
Interesting use-cases for applications to be delivered on PaaS
Tim Crawford
MyPOV: #PaaS will be a hotbed of activity for the next 18 months.
Rich Miller
From my POV, containers & multi-cloud infrastructure environments take us closer to 'cloudonomic' arbitrage, mrkt liquidity & (economic) brokerage
Floyd Strimling
App vendors want to package once (container) deploy everywhere
JP Morgenthal
CF has been implemented on Docker, which is the way I'd want to consume it in the future
Rich Miller
@tcrawford That's getting closer to infrastructure commoditization, then platform & service comparability. Comparability != Commoditization.
Tim Crawford
@rhm2k I like the idea of getting closer to comparability...not commodity.
Krish Subramanian
@jpmorgenthal CF is not implemented on Docker. However, a small project to port Docker to CF is in early stages. Stackato has built docker support.
Tim Crawford
I'd look more toward @activestate Stackato for CF/ Docker.
JP Morgenthal
http://www.cloudcredo.com/decker-docker-cloud-foundry/ What is Decker & Warden then?
Decker = Docker + Cloud Foundry | CloudCredo
Software is eating the world. From the web as we know it, to the Internet of Things, to Microservices, software is taking over. The ability of businesses to deploy, manage, and iterate on their software is becoming the key determinant in their succes...
Software is eating the world. From the web as we know it, to the Internet of Things, to Microservices, software is taking over. The ability of businesses to deploy, manage, and iterate on their software is becoming the key determinant in their succes...
Krish Subramanian
@tcrawford I would say it will take a push by IBM before Docker gets anywhere closer to being a first class citizen on CF.
Krish Subramanian
@jpmorgenthal Exactly what I said. A small project by some SI.
Stuart Miniman
Solomon Hykes - Red Hat Summit 2014 - TheCUBE
Solomon Hykes, Docker, at Red Hat Summit 2014 with John Furrier and Stu Miniman @thecube #RHSummit Solomon Hyke, Founder and CTO of Docker, discussed the com...
Solomon Hykes, Docker, at Red Hat Summit 2014 with John Furrier and Stu Miniman @thecube #RHSummit Solomon Hyke, Founder and CTO of Docker, discussed the com...
John Furrier
IBM is talking to us about containers on #theCUBE
Dave Vellante
is this an pre-requisite to interoperability b/tween OpenStack clouds?
Krish Subramanian
@dvellante Containers will be a pre-requisite across not just OpenStack clouds but across multiple platforms
Ryan Wallner
@jpmorgenthal decker is like cloud-foundry + docker, it allows dockerfiles to by used with cf push. Essentially allowing docker and warden based containers to be used in parallel. = more flexibility/option
JP Morgenthal
@RyanWallner 'Tis accurate, seems @ActiveState's a lot closer to actually deploying apps in docker containers but using LXC for now (good 'nuff for me)
