Dave Vellante23
Here's the elephant in the room - Olson's article implies the Hortonworks model is doomed...but if HW has deep pockets doesn't that doom the cloudera model?
Matt Asay
I don't think it's anywhere near that simple. @mikeolson was simply arguing that to get to scale you need more than merely an OSS support model. History suggests he's right
Dave Vellante yes but past is not prologue...what are your thoughts on canonical disrupting Red Hat
Jeff Kelly agree - if Hortonworks succeeds as a the winner in this market and becomes a true mega-vendor, it will be the first pure open source SW vendor to do so.
Jeff Kelly
IMO Hortonworks is playing the long game - seeding the market, then build significant revenue when mainstream moves to large-scale production deployments
Yves de Montcheuil
I seem to recall that at first Cloudera was also playing the purity card. Until they came up with Cloudera Manager.
Dave Vellante I think that's fair Yves - bit of a flip flop although why not - they have every right to pivot
Dr.Cos And that's another illustration on why "Open Core" is essentially harmful for open source development: it let you to pretend to be an open source rather than be an open source.
Jeff Kelly
not necessarily - this is a HUGE market opportunity and may well be room for two very successful players - a bit of a cop-out on my part but I think its true.
Yves de Montcheuil There is space, no question. But can the support-only model be sustainable and scalable for HW?
Jim Walker
literally just LOL'd... ok, seriously... doomed? our customers, partners, employees and investors think VERY differently
Dave Vellante this is the crux of the debate Jim...my personal opinion is that open source is a weapon in this game and it's the most powerful - shit it neutralized msft's monopoly
Dr.Cos Shall we try not to steer it toward HW vs. C argument? Cause I'd rather flame about vim vs emacs ;)
Jim Walker vi... of course. come on!
Jack Norris
It wasn't that long ago that articles were written about Cloudera being the open source champion and that models like MapR's were proprietary. The Elephant in the room is the acknowledgement that our model is right.
Jeff Kelly very true - Cloudera has done a 180 degree turn on messaging and seems to me to have the same biz model as MapR. big difference is that Olson says the platform must be open source.
Jack Norris When you don't have the required innovations at the platform level that would be an expected response. The key here is innovating at the platform level while embracing industry standards. This drives benefits without lock-in.
Yves de Montcheuil
My guess is that HW will pivot too. But that they will invent another model. After all, not 2 open source successes are exactly identical.
Jim Walker guess again mon frier.... ;)
Dave Vellante that's another big question Yves - will HW ultimately "IP up?" - so far they've been very pure on that topic
Dave Vellante see what I mean :-)
Jim Walker
there was one comment on post that called out central point to this argument, working within the ecosystem is how you multiply the model... for HW it is microsoft, teradata, SAP... stay tuned.
Yves de Montcheuil Interesting point. Seed the community but the revenue streams come from OEMs? Now, that would be scalable.
Jeff Kelly you nailed it Jim - the key for Hortonworks long term success is the channel and partnerships.
Jeff Kelly you nailed it Jim - the key for Hortownorks if it is to win the market is partnerships and the channel - made much easier with HW's open source model.
Dr.Cos OEM game is definitely very scale-able: given you have a coherent community around the project and its commitments to stability and backward compatibility. Fortunately, Hadoop has #ASFBigtop to keep it in-check
Dave Vellante
I come back to cononical - shuttleworth is essentially funding a petri dish for this argument
John Furrier
open source will always win
