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   3 days ago
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John Furrier
Questions for the panel: What does the "self healing" organization mean to you
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
similar to incident management, there is an analysis and the org learns to do better
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
I would also argue this is the definition of a learning organization, resilient adaptation to internal and external circumstances
botchagalupe
You can go back to @markburgess_osl with his original work around autonomics.
John Furrier
systems and humans and organization are changing esp with virtual collaboration so this notion of how things repair .. networks and software have self healing mechanisms now the need is to be org wide
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
we have the opportunity to make them org wide, maybe not always the driving necessity
John Furrier
to me as we evolve humans and software in devops next level the notion of a "mechanism" vs an "organism" is interesting to me..social organism repair and evolve
Shabnoor Shah
to me, self healing organisations are "humane" and truly "open"
botchagalupe
That's why I love deep diving into the socio-technical ideas.
John Furrier
@ShahShabnoor I agree!! This is an area that I've been spending a decade thinking about and now with virtual events and group convening like today it's more important than ever..group social construct is an social organization
Shabnoor Shah
What is your biggest transformation-related fear?
John Furrier
Having data not be available for applications when needed
Chris Corriere
that they literally can't get there from here.
botchagalupe
It's more about ppl skills...
Kevin Behr 开始
behavior change is not talked about much by DT consultants
Chrys Sills
@ShahShabnnooor no fear all forward progress! To transform you need to go forward
Chrys Sills
To DevSecOps or DevOps?
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
the s in devops stands for security :)
botchagalupe
In a perfect world we really shouldn't have had to use Devsecops. Unfortunately, security was basically ignored in most of the Devops conversations. Basically required a sort of a jump start.
Jeremy Cohn
@botchagalupe I agree, and this might just be my bias, but when I see DevSecOps being used it's almost ALWAYS referring to some security tooling, rather than the holistic aspects of DevOps
botchagalupe
SRE vs Devops?
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
SRE is devops as she is spoken at Google
Chris Corriere
SRE is devOps embedded across the value stream/wall of confusion
Chris Corriere
I technically heard it from Seth Vargo.
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@littleidea To differentiate vs DevOps - I think SREs tend to maintain custom SLOs & SLIs to ensure that app-specific health is measurable (or site-specific health, as they say at Le Goog)
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
@ryanj what's the differentiation? SRE is an implementation of devops, not all devops implementations are SRE
botchagalupe
@ryanj Check your twitter msg if you want to join the zoom
Chrys Sills
Let’s talk metrics. When are they good and when are they antipatterns.
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
as soon as they are goals with payoffs, you just made a game and should expect them to be gamed
botchagalupe
. @ChrysSills I think you should start with the basic 4 but I'm a bigger fan of flow metrics.
botchagalupe
I like flow metrics because they are more leading than lagging.
Chrys Sills
Tribes, Silos or Openness. Where are we heading with transformation
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
differentiation is good, an undifferentiated mass in biology is called cancer, silos are great, you just need to share context and accountability between them
Stuart Miniman
@littleidea there's the @sakacc joke that silos are "cylinders of excellence" 😉
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
@stu there is always a good @sakacc joke for every situation
Chris Corriere
flatter ontology and org charts
botchagalupe
What color is devops?
Jeremy Cohn
clearly, it's transparent
Chris Corriere
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Jeremy Cohn
@cacorriere DevOps is the lyrics to 'Eclipse', though all the parts about lunacy in 'Brain Damage' are also relevent
John Furrier
CloudNative organization is a concept that Covid19 will force everyone to adopt imo if not they will be laggards coming out of this pandemic. Cloudnative principles are portable not to business processes that were once ignoring agile. Agile is the new competitive advantage
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
I see the same thing. Everyone is being confronted with the digital realities they have created for their customers and employees.
botchagalupe
. @furrier Seems like orgs are falling into 3 categories 1) Scale 2) Retract 3) Stabilize
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
@botchagalupe yes, but those categories aren't necessarily by choice, but the prevailing forces on the industries they are in, some have seen revenue collapse
Shabnoor Shah
@cyetain what do socio-technical systems have to do with digital transformation?
Jabe Bloom #BLM
oh.... I think what is being transformed IS a SocioTechnical System
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
you can't treat tech separate from the social and expect to get good results, they are one system
John Furrier
Definition of SRE is explained by Dave Rensin @drensin at Google Dave Rensin explains how SREs were born of necessity - "We're going to need 1 million humans to run Google"
https://video.cube365.net/c/914312/embed
Dave Rensin explains how SREs were born of necessity - "We're going to need 1 million humans to run Google"
Dave Rensin, Google | Google Cloud Next 2018
Dave Rensin explains how SREs were born of necessity - "We're going to need 1 million humans to run Google" – Dave Rensin, Google | Google Cloud Next 2018
botchagalupe
Cool... I always say you need SRE when you have a scale problem.
Andrew Clay Shafer 雷启理
that's my point about necessity, we need Darwinian pressure to make meaningful change