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Promise, Potential of the Edge
JOIN US: This is a chat-based conversation about how IT is rapidly evolving into a new phase that may turn out to be as important as, if not more important than, the cloud itself.
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#eweekchatDevOps & Agile Development '19JOIN US: This is a chat-based conversation with DevOps experts Kate Catlin of CircleCI and Principal Engineer Karthik Gaekwad of Oracle about the state of rapid development here in 2019. It's a format change from previous #eWEEKchats, but we're going to give it a go!
Chris Preimesberger
Q5: Where do you see key trends in the edge computing sector over the next 12 to 24 months?
Tom Yates
A5 - predict #IoT app dev will get tons easier, more #cloud-like, less C/C++ #eweekchat
Zeus Kerravala
We will see better turnkey solutions that are easier to deploy
Tom Yates
A5 - and self-serving because it's what we do here @nubix_io, #containers will become the norm for #IoT app deployment #eweekchat
Dr. Tom Bradicich
If you like big data, you'll love the edge. The data sources at the edge are faster, older, and bigger, than all other types big data combined.

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Zeus Kerravala
Also solutions that bring the cloud to core to edge strategies together. Software defined, if you will, to make the cloud to core to edge look like one environment
Eric Kavanagh at #ConnectMDM19
Agreed that we'll get much more robust control planes for managing these environments. That said, this will be a remarkably dynamic space, and it's hard to predict just what will change where; but the #Edge will dominate development efforts for many orgs #eweekchat
Dr. Tom Bradicich
Hence, there's "pent up" data in all "Things" at the edge, that will be unleased and rendered valuable.
Zeus Kerravala
Also, #edge will see a significant amount of automation to streamline operations
Sean Leach
I see a few key trends. 1/ Edge computing enables a new capability of data processing and storage. There will be far more data collected now by providers etc. How do we provide privacy and security while balancing the commercial needs
Dr. Tom Bradicich
We are in new world, of Perpetual Connectivity, Pervasive Computing, and Precision Control - the 3 C's of the intelligent edge/IoT.
Sean Leach
2/ Per my comment earlier on the concerning lack of security in IoT, there is tremendous opportunity for edge computing to have a key role in security these devices
Dr. Tom Bradicich
Thus we'll see more convergence of connectivity types and controls systems with the Edge Compute. Just like the cellphone converged the music player, camera, GPS, flashlight, etc, to make a Smartphone... As will edge compute systems converged controls, DAQ, industrial NWs, etc.

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Sean Leach
3/ We have seen a large number of our customers really focused on moving to cloud native, that means there is an opportunity for them to investigate the power and performance that the edge gives these developers, which should mean more workloads moving to the edge.
Tom Yates
@seanleach billions and billions of possible security holes must be scaring the bejeebers out of #CIOs and #CSOs
Chris Preimesberger
Q2: At a high level, what do edge computing software / systems bring to legacy IT systems?
Tom Yates
A2 #edge brings systems that react faster than a #network hop #eweekchat
Zeus Kerravala
Well it brings of simplicity of deployment. deploying edge computing legacy infrastructure would be highly complex
Sean Leach
We haven't seen as many companies deploy legacy systems at the edge as much as we've seen them take advantage of the edge for newer initiatives, especially around their move to cloud native, and then deciding to run some of that logic at the edge (where it makes sense).

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Eric Kavanagh at #ConnectMDM19
Mostly the ability to solve problems elsewhere, namely the edge. This is very cool for lots of reasons: 1) immediacy of action 2) reduced tax on legacy systems 3) more options for solution design #eWeekChat
Zeus Kerravala
Most edge platforms are integrated network, compute, storage and software so companies can get started right away #eweekchat
Zeus Kerravala
With legacy hardware there would be months tweaking and tuning. the prebuilt systems make that simpler #EweekChat
Laz Vekiarides
assuming we define "edge" to be a non-traditional environment, we are looking at systems that need to be far more distributed than legacy.
Sean Leach
While we have seen customers do fork lift upgrades of legacy applications into the cloud, they don't truly take advantage of the power of the cloud until they start to develop cloud native solutions.
Tom Yates
@seanleach have you thought about how #edge-native might be defined? #eweekchat

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Laz Vekiarides
system design is going to be driven more by connectivity and real estate constraints at the edge. Can your app run disconnected? Does it need to? Does your app need to survive a site failure?
Dr. Tom Bradicich
I've taken a different approach to Edge Computing, and have created a product line, that is "enterprise class compute" e.g. many Xeon server grade server processors, many TB of storage (not whimpy cores, or paired down low memory/storage systems)

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Zeus Kerravala
I guess in summary, it puts the right infratructure at the #edge #eweekchat
Chris Preimesberger
Thanks. Tom. Add a link here if you like
FogHorn
It really depends on the software. Find solutions that support legacy standards and protocols and then you have an easy way to get that data in a platform with all of the new sensors you may have in place.
Sean Leach
@txyates great question. the deployment environment of the edge so far has been no where near as defined/standard as the core cloud. I think that is TBD as certain solutions start to win out. i.e. AWS is the clear leader in the core cloud space and so solutions match their env
Dr. Tom Bradicich
This allows running the exact same SW stack at the edge, as is running in the data center. That is my systems are able to run VMware, Citrix, Windows, Linux, SAP, SQL, AI/ML "unmodified".
Dr. Tom Bradicich
Customer love the fact that they don't need to by and manage "different" SW stacks - one for the edge and one for the datacenter/cloud.
Dr. Tom Bradicich
I call this "Stack Indenticality" - resonates well with management cost and resource issues, since the edge and DC/cloud are similar.
Tom Yates
@TomBradicichPhD and now we get to discuss the many faces of #edge because you aren't running a #cloud stack on an Arm M-class processor
Eric Kavanagh at #ConnectMDM19
@seanleach Oh, yeah, I'd be surprised if anyone deployed a legacy system at the edge; the key will be to connect the edge to those systems somehow; and for those companies that have embraced a microservices architecture, they'll be much more able to capitalize! #eweekchat
FogHorn
@txyates You need an #edge stack to work on #Arm. And for many use cases it is the perfect amount of compute. @TomBradicichPhD agreed though, that many places need your enterprise class compute!
Chris Preimesberger
Q3: What are some of the greenfield areas of edge computing where we expect to see high growth?
Zeus Kerravala
#ArtificalIntelligence, data analytics are two big use cases for edge computing
Zeus Kerravala
#SmartCities are another strong use case for #edge computing #eweekchat
Sean Leach
1/ With the massive potential bandwidth increases at the client with 5g, the carriers can't backhaul that traffic to the central cloud/data centers. That data and those apps need to be ran close to the tower.
Zeus Kerravala
Industrial manufacturing is another. Bringing connectivity and compute to the #IIoT Edge #eweekchat
Laz Vekiarides
I keep on waiting for the 5G edge to become a real platform. Totally Greenfield and potentially a huge market.
Tom Yates
Alreading seeing #edge take off in #Industry4.0, expect more uptake in loosely connected #worksites (like strawberry fields and yellow submarines), #retail, #transportation #eweekchat

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Dr. Tom Bradicich
Predictive analytics for equipment, people, traffic and "things" IoT at the edge
Sean Leach
2/ With the growth of IoT and the billions of very insecure devices deployed globally - edge security detection and enforcement is a great place to help solve that massive problem.
Chris Preimesberger
eWEEK is seeing big upside in smart cities edge. San Diego, Denver ahead of the curve on this, San Francisco not far behind
Sean Leach
3/ There are many use cases where the speed/security/performance of the edge gives developers competitive advantage when deployed there
Tom Yates
@lazvek and I thought 5G was supposed to cut latency ;)
Dr. Tom Bradicich
Knowing the reason one analyzes edge data for insights - is the take some control on the "things" in the IoT --- then I add control systems software (which is not new, but indeed seen much at the edge)...

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Zeus Kerravala
More smart city implementations overseas than US.
Eric Kavanagh at #ConnectMDM19
The entire edge is greenfield! Lots of possibilities for: 1) security 2) retail 3) advertising 4) major events 5) traffic management 6) urban planning 7) network provisioning... the list goes on and on! Practically every aspect of business is open #eweekchat
Dr. Tom Bradicich
@seanleach Good point on 5G... 5G will address a few of the aforementioned 7 Reasons NOT to send edge data to a cloud, but not all of them!
Dr. Tom Bradicich
1) Latency – need faster insights/actions, 2) Bandwidth – limited for large data sets, 3) Cost of BW/NW, 4) Security – data more secure if stays at edge, 5) Reliability/Availability, 6) Resource Duplication – some store and forward, 7) Data Sovereignty/Geofencing
Laz Vekiarides
@txyates well, right :-)... so you're wondering why we need containerized datacenters? Because light isn't fast enough, sometimes.
Eric Kavanagh at #ConnectMDM19
@zkerravala Not terribly surprising, in light of the bureaucratic debt here in the states. But, there are some cities that are really moving the ball downfield, including Los Angeles, and I hear Kansas City. We'll get there! A recession would help! #eweekchat
Tom Yates
@lazvek #containers aren't just for datacenters; @nubix_io we are working on bringing #containers to the absolute edge, devices where data is generated