Ralph Finos11
Krish Krishnan
They are two sides of a coin and need to be treated that way
MaribelLopez
I believe these could be powerful together. Not doing it and can say I have a few customers that I know are doing it. But they are progressive on multiple levels
Krish Krishnan
my developers love the fact they can develop, test, optimize and automate
Krish Krishnan
This is my team mantra that I teach across the world
Yves Mulkers
Strange to see that the Dev way of working seems to be unknown to a lot of #data people. Even some developers still don't manage the full software development lifecycle....
Basil Faruqui
This is an area where we see a lot of interest as organizations look to deliver at scale using CI/CD frameworks. The key is to ensure that the workload automation solution can seamlessly co-exist with the rest of the devops toolchain
Krish Krishnan
@BFaruqui i think the CxO generation is also fast changing and that is good news
MaribelLopez
The devops toolchain is still being developed for most so I think we could integrate them
Krish Krishnan
Strategy wise data workload needs to be designed based on platform, code will be independent but DevOps + KANBAN has provided success
Jennifer Shin
In one of my recent roles, I automated validating and testing #bigdata before releasing it to clients and shortened hte time required by over 80%
Krish Krishnan
great example here is implementation of BlockChain by companies including Disney
Yves Mulkers
@MaribelLopez It's an attitude towards delivering repeatable, sustainable solutions. And not a quick one time shot. It's like I've always seen... business starts developing something without the guidance.
Andrew Brust
Microsoft's new data prep tool (embedded into its AI Workbench, for now) allows you to archive data flows into GitHub. So there *is* momentum in this direction.
Robby Dick
@jennjshin that is impressive - how did you do it?
jameskobielus
From my research, I'm starting to see a closer DevOps alignment of data-app developers and traditional developers. The impetus is the increasing prevalence of machine learning in apps of all sorts. Data, model, code, rules etc in a single CI/CD
MaribelLopez
@YvesMulkers +1 business is running fast, groups are uncoordinated. In effect, we're recrafting how we think about integrating work or multiple groups
Jennifer Shin
Businesses often don't realize that #bigdata testing and validation are different processes - the latter is a good starting point for automation
Basil Faruqui
@jennjshin shortening the time to market is key as most #bigdata projects are intended to create competitive advantage
MaribelLopez
@datagenius Your developers sound bought in to the process. I still have some clients in Waterfall. Others are full on with 2 wk sprints
jameskobielus
@BFaruqui The DevOps toolchain is increasingly evolving to incorporate robust pipelines for ML model dev, training, and deploy. See my latest Wikibon note: https://wikibon.com/...
Yves Mulkers
@jennjshin WIth testing you mean integrating the data? the technical aspect?
Jennifer Shin
@robbydbmc when businesses are well behind the times, it is easier to improve the process with automation - the company used to have an analyst check the data manually...
jameskobielus
@YvesMulkers From what I can see, most developers don't manage the FULL dev lifecycle. Most are specialized to coding. Some only to QA.
Dana Gardner
DevOps complexity will only increase, factor multi-cloud, and so automation across all aspects, not just data, is essential. Also ML and AI may help in managing hybrid deployments, and so will need data assimilation and mgmt.
Jennifer Shin
@YvesMulkers If I'm testing the data, I will check for certain expected outputs or evaluate scenarios where I suspect there might be an issue. with a new data integration processing, testing is essential, but not as much once it's established
Robby Dick
@jennjshin unfortunately not all that surprising - too much manual effort spent on things that can be automated
Yves Mulkers
@jennjshin Nice view on that. Great that you make the distinction between the 2 phases.