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What's your reaction to obtaining dev and test environments being so low. It seems to be real problem within many shops.
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Rich Hintz
Solved by Vagrant for the Linux env
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Chris Lazzaro
It used to be a problem for us, but now we are doing so much in Bluemix is easy to get new env's up.
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Eric Minick
I rad that as a maturity thing. Need decent testing and deployment. Then environment counts become the bottleneck.
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Paul Steel
I'm shocked, I would have thought that was going to be big
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alan shimel
I think those problems are secondary to people
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Eric Minick
@lazzarochris Good point. With cloud platforms providing environments more cheaply, the more advanced are likely already there.
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Ian M. Clayton
do you regard QA as outside of test env or fringe?
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Bas Pluim
Lack of environments definitely a problem...but that's largely caused by teams not working in tandem
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Jayne Groll
I would have thought this would have been resolved by now. Investment in testing is critical.
Mustafa Kapadia
I agree, for our client it is the biggest bottleneck
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Rich Hintz
@ianclayton QA is old thinking. It should be integrated in Dev.
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Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
every time I've introduced ideas to improve dev/test environment delivery the response has been meh. Ramping up resources to do the work is normally a bigger challenge.
Mustafa Kapadia
and where many start their journet
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Paul Steel
@LazzaroChris Bluemix is a great tool, what are the primary parts you are using?
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Rosalind Radcliffe
Is it that people have transitioned to more automation. It still seems to be a big problem with Systems of Record
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Rich Hintz
Well, as a dev, you can't spin up a replica piod environment on a mainframe
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Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
I've found Dev/Test for systems of record are relatively static. I'm in healthcare so that may be a factor. The need for data refresh isn't a consideration.
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Sanjeev Sharma
Pop Quiz: If you have a 2 week Sprint, but it takes 3 weeks to get a new test env, how long is your Sprint?
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alan shimel
@rjhintz i wonder even in Linux what vagrant usage is % wise?
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Daniel Berg
if you move to the cloud it becomes #SelfService
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Rosalind Radcliffe
you can spin up a new z system with RD&T , z/OS running on Intel Linux this lets all teams work in the same way.
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Ian M. Clayton
@rjhintz ouch QA in Dev - fox in hen house ! I've been a victim of that idea :-) unless u have some form of fire wall
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Rich Hintz
@ashimmy Compared to what? How else do you spin up a replica environment?
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Daniel Berg
the challenge is knowing that you have a problem once you have deployed a change #ProblemsThatTrulyMatter
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Robert Reeves
@sd_architect Ha! Do the same exercise for your Database changes! We had a customer that when from 48hrs per change to 2hrs. Gave 'em back a whole Sprint at the end of the year.
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Rich Hintz
@ianclayton firewall equates to silo in my experience.
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Sanjeev Sharma
@CTOAdvisor Yes, but environment availability and contention is still an issue
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Eric Minick
@ianclayton if Dev also carries the pager, then actual quality starts to matter a whole lot more.
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Chris Lazzaro
@LifeOnMobile We run the DevOps Method site on Bluemix: https://www.ibm.com/... - easy to setup multiple instances in diff datacenters
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Daniel Berg
Docker, Docker, Docker :)
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Rich Hintz
@dancberg Not sure I understand. This would be "solved" by unit and functional test
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Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
@sd_architect not in my environment. We have dedicated lanscapes from Sandbox>Prod. Include test, dev, N+1 and QA. If we were under financial pressure that would change.
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Tony Bradley
-- Seems like Dev / test environment should be easy with cloud, virtualization and microservices. #IBMInterConnect
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Ian M. Clayton
@rjhintz silos = friction of course dev tests - but discrete independent test vital - taco of cost me a divorce is previous life
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Chris Lazzaro
@EricMinick Yes, a lot of teams first start trying Cloud just because they have trouble getting VM's from their IT team. IaaS often first, with PaaS soon after.
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Rosalind Radcliffe
To use the test environments you need good automated testing, and test data management as well.
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Rich Hintz
@ianclayton this seems to be at odds with test driven development
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Ian M. Clayton
@rjhintz nope - I'm all for test drive dev... u tagged me on QA being old fashioned - someone has to be responsible for end quality
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Rich Hintz
@ianclayton the point is that the aggregate team, what we call loosely devops is responsible for quality
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Ian M. Clayton
@rjhintz well that explains the quality of some apps I download, then delete cos of battery drain and resource consumption