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Andi Mann
Wow, that was .... fast and furious. Great chat, thank you esp. @jamesmaguire but also all the experts. I learned a load, and am inspired to learn and build more #Edge in my own business @Qumu. Thanks all!!
James Maguire
Thanks for your insight as always!
James Maguire
This has been another excellent eWEEKchat. Thanks all! Next month: Join us May 17: Data Analytics: Optimizing Your Practice
Chris Ehrlich
Thanks for moderating, James!
Bruce Kornfeld
Thanks for hosting, James. Another fun one!
Dan Griffith
Thanks James, thanks panel, this was a great chat!
Andi Mann
Thank you James - so awesome, and what a great crew you have gathered today. I am humbled to be part of such a faculty. Wow!!
Lakshmi Sharma
Huge Thank You and Thanks to all the panelist. This was amazing @fastly style #Fast experience.
Lakshmi Sharma
A8: @jamesmaguire future of edge In 3 years, deployments will default to edge clouds. In 5 years, new standards and expectations will make it necessary to use edge clouds. With new standards, code sharing, and code portability, edge compute will become easier and easier to use.
Lakshmi Sharma
A9 (contd) These concepts will enable easy sharing & composition of common use cases or building blocks needed to secure edge applications. You get the flexibility of being able to run your own code, as well as the option to deploy turn key solutions #locationsless #yourEdge
James Maguire
Q9. Last question: What else is important about edge computing – what else should companies be aware of?
Bruce Kornfeld
A9: Trying to send all data to the cloud is problematic - high storage and transmission costs, app performance/latency due to the “speed of light” and security concerns. Lots to think about for end users.
Dan Griffith
@brucekornfeld Physics wins every time
Rob Skillington 🇺🇦
A9. Understand how it fits into your wider strategy TODAY. Don't be like Netflix and pretend you don't need offline mode for playback but then find the market has always wanted that and you're behind. Plan now and execute when it makes sense.
Dan Griffith
A9. To Andy's earlier point about #skills, expecting current IT staffs to take on this challenge without training and partners will result in missed opportunities at the very least
Bruce Kornfeld
@dangit_hub I'd hate to wait for the 1's and 0's from my cars camera to go up to the cloud and back down before it automatically applied my brakes : )
Andi Mann
A9: #Edge requires major #EnterpriseArchitecture and mindset shift, and a huge dose of pragmatism. #CloudFirst is not cloud only! Idealists need not apply. (Same for #EdgeOnly too, FWIW).
Chris Ehrlich
A9: The edge market opportunity on the supply side is immense and undefined.
Dan Griffith
@brucekornfeld Would that be a ... "non-starter"? (sorry)
James Maguire
A9. I'm going to start using #EdgeNative until people know what it means. First I better figure it out....
Lakshmi Sharma
A9: @JamesMaguire Right now the place everyones’ mind goes is “near the user”, but there’s a lot more to it than that. Modern applications are complex. They talk to the user, yes. But they also talk to multiple databases, multiple APIs, security systems, logging systems,etc.
Bruce Kornfeld
maybe instead of a "Cloud First" strategy - forward thinking architects might think "Edge First"....
Lakshmi Sharma
@jamesmaguire (cont) They also need to exist within the rules of data sovereignty. AND they need to be fast and reliable. Taking all of that into account, the future edge is going to be about making your application “locationless”. It exists globally and runs where it needs to be
Dan Griffith
Not necessarily for edge native, but there is a pretty good glossary here - https://github.com/State-of-the-Edge/glossary/blob... (gotta plug for CNCF)
https://github.com/State-of-the-Edge/glossary/blob/master/edge-glossary.md
glossary/edge-glossary.md at master · State-of-the-Edge/glossary
glossary/edge-glossary.md at master · State-of-the-Edge/glossary
The Linux Foundation's Open Glossary of Edge Computing project curates and defines terms related to the field of edge computing, collecting common and accepted definitions into an openly licens...
Lakshmi Sharma
@brucekornfeld yep. Edge would not be re-platforming, re-deploying same thing like Cloud Migration was/is, it is re-architecting to get the benefits of this locations less, anytime, really fast approach of Application Building and deploying
Dan Griffith
A9. True "hybrid cloud" will fully encompass edge, core and everything in-between
James Maguire
@dangit_hub Will "multicloud" also encompass all that?
Dan Griffith
We differentiate between hybrid cloud and multicloud, but I believe there will be great pressure from enterprises for IT to treat "all the clouds" as one estate
James Maguire
@dangit_hub I think that will be true.
Lakshmi Sharma
@jamesmaguire @dangit_hub @brucekornfeld +1 on skills. If you are not an App/Developers' first company or have not made that investment into tooling for your teams, you would need to.
Lakshmi Sharma
@chris_ehrlich Tru that point on Supply chain opportunities, anything touches a variety of users in globally or physically disparate locations and skill sets and we want the end to end workflow to result into Efficiency, #Edge is the way
James Maguire
Q8. The future of edge? Where will we be in 3-5 years?
Chris Ehrlich
A8: Customers will demand that their IoT hardware and software investments produce actionable sales data via the edge.
Bruce Kornfeld
A8: Every organization around the world will have an edge implementation - cloud is still important, but cannot solve all IT problems. Edge data will become so critical that many orgs will want to save it for a long long time, possibly forever.
Rob Skillington 🇺🇦
A8. Deploy apps as you do today to a platform like Kubernetes and just annotate which parts should run on edge, all networking, physical compute and ops should be abstracted from you so can operate and monitor parts on the edge as if you ran it inside existing environment.
Sameer Sharma
A8: @JamesMaguire #eWeekChat Shared earlier...By 2025, 75% of data will be created outside of central data centers, putting compute closer to where data is generated.
Andi Mann
A8: Ha! Realistically, we’ll probably be about in the same place, but arguing less about it. We’re still arguing about #cloud, #agile, #devops. See #AmarasLaw. But maybe we do better?
Lakshmi Sharma
@brucekornfeld well said. Edge will become cloud and centralized Data Centers if each organization does not get to choose its own way of implementing it. It is a solution that is locationless delivered where users want when they want
Sameer Sharma
Example - In 3-5 years, the transportation industry will be much closer to a future of connected mobility, which will be powered by connected infrastructure/Edge AI. Building out these technologies will provide more accurate life-saving information to driver
Dan Griffith
A8. Edge compute will become a ubiquitous part of the IT service portfolio - and the services it enables will be part of what my kids just expect as normal
Andi Mann
A8 (alt): But idealistically there is opportunity for us to have much better #hybid #cloud adoption, overcome the worst of cloud - lag, latency, bandwidth, cost. And yes, #cybersecurity too. Many use cases yet to emerge.
Dan Griffith
A8. Bold prediction - it will be harder and harder to distinguish edge compute from cloud compute, and folks like us will regale young IT profs with tales of when edge was new
Andi Mann
@dangit_hub Absolutely agree with this Dan - not least because it always was. When [analyst name redacted] predicted #cloud meant 75% of orgs would have own no IT by 2015 (?), I laughed out loud. Still do. #Hybrid wins, always.
Lakshmi Sharma
A8: Agree @sameer_iot example of transportation industry. In fact other than Media/gaming where thanks to need for video/image optimization at Global user scale led to Edge Use faster/sooner, transport use cases drive data/AI/real-time at scale delivered with C@Edge
James Maguire
Q7. Who are the biggest winners as edge gains adoption?
Sameer Sharma
A7: @JamesMaguire #eWeekChat Vendors that can provide end-to-end ecosytem will win big! takes a village to do it. No other option. Multiple "IOT Platforms" have failed because vendors try to do it all.
Bruce Kornfeld
A7: I’ll be “silent” on this question since we are a vendor : ) But I’d say solution providers are the big winners. Edge is not a commodity - there are lots of options - it takes careful planning and execution since there typically dozens, hundred or thousands of sites
Chris Ehrlich
A7: Networking vendors as well as cloud vendors that take share early.
Dan Griffith
A7. Per IDC - "By 2025, services will account for nearly 50% of all edge spending led by investments in provisioned services, including connectivity and edge-related infrastructure, platform, and software as a service (IaaS, PaaS, and SaaS)."
Andi Mann
A7: yes, I am with @chris_ehrlich - #hardware and #networking for sure. #Edge #software too, obvs. But defo big #cloud vendors too. Edge neatly complements cloud, fills a lot of gaps, forgives a lot of sins! Esp. pragmatic cloud vendors who recognize hybrid use cases
Dan Griffith
IDC also predicts a CAGR of 19.6% for edge services
James Maguire
@dangit_hub That can be called a "torrid" growth rate.
Rob Skillington 🇺🇦
A7. Vendors that make it simple to use existing tools and platforms already in use today in existing compute environments but for their edge works will win alongside the edge providers (who ultimately are the biggest winners), eg. single plane of glass observability on edge/cloud
Bruce Kornfeld
@dangit_hub and Gartner has the total edge market at $450B by 2025.
Andi Mann
@brucekornfeld Don't sweat it Bruce. "Everybody sells". Vendors are people too! 😂
Sameer Sharma
Keep in mind edge is not monolithic...vertical use cases need to be comprehended - retail, industrial, health, transportation etc
Andi Mann
@sameer_iot Great point Sameer - #edge is many things to many people, and to many vendors. I presume we will see much "EdgeWashing", but also a lot of new and different use cases. There is so much greenspace!
Dan Griffith
@sameer_iot Absolutely - our edge work with manufacturing, retail, and health customers shares common components but the solutions are quite different