CL2025

Our connected world in 2025
Join us for a lively debate on Feb 11th 3pm GMT (chat opens 1h early)
Frederic Martinent
Should we be more worried about AI and robots taking our jobs?
H.
on a lighter note...that's why i try to do jobs that require lesser intelligence! :)
Dan Kaplan
It depends on which jobs we're talking about. Creative knowledge work that requires independent thought is more likely to be augmented by robots/A.I. Routine jobs that are easier to automate may be in trouble.
Xavier Larduinat
How many % of today's jobs could be done with Robots and AI? what do you think?
4R1U5
Yes and Yes. It is inevitable. But it is something that has slowly been taking place in our lives since BC.
Tom Cheesewright
Yes. if you read Osborne and Frey from Oxford Martin, Martin Ford, Boston Consulting - ~30% by 2035
Helen Keegan
Victorians were worrying about the same thing about their new technologies at the time. We will adapt but we do need to be having more conversations about it as it will impact *everything*.
mkube
New threats - but many new opportunities
Tom Cheesewright
@technokitten Not the same - general purpose tech rather than narrow vertical applications. No-one has yet suggested what will create volume of jobs to replace retail/service/manufacturing/prof services wiped out by AI
Helen Keegan
@dankaplan We already legal AI - hirepetercom and eBay disputes are handled mostly by AI. Doctors jobs are on the line. Nurses not as much. Everyone will be affected at some point. Your colleague may be a robot or a piece of software.
Fabio Virgi
To an extent it's inevitable. I think creative roles that require an individual sense of expression (i.e. design, architecture, engineering) will survive, but we're already seeing the transformation. e.g. Taxis will soon be driverless cars.
Dan Kaplan
There's a very interesting company called Blue River that has built a robot that automates a part of lettuce farming that used to require dozens of workers. The new requirement? One guy, driving a robot behind a tractor.
H.
i think it will definitely have an impact. but human heuristic capabilities should not be undermined. deep learning can only achieve so much. the human brain - unmatched!
Helen Keegan
@bookofthefuture same concerns and the tech at the time was just as revolutionary as the tech we're facing now. We will adapt but it doe mean big changes.
Tom Cheesewright
@FabioVirgi_ Agree - we talk about the three Cs as being defensible human traits - Curate (discover and qualify), Create, and Communicate
Frederic Martinent
Invention of print made copyist monks jobs redundant but it opened a lot of other opportunities
Dan Kaplan
@technokitten The role of doctors will change from diagnosing illnesses and suggesting treatments (where machines will become superior) to something more akin to health coaching .
Helen Keegan
I've been running Open Space conversations in Leeds & London for the last few months about the impact of tech (AI, VR, AR, IoT, Blockchain) on the Future of Work with @LloydDavis It is fascinating to say the least.
H.
i think AI needs to be seen as "augmenting" human capabilities rather than replacing them. trivial example: kids today don't need any training to use touch screens. its in their innate nature
Tom Cheesewright
@technokitten I'm increasingly convinced by the argument aganst the 'luddite fallacy' - this time really is different
Kristen Nicole
maybe we'll get more leisure time, every human with several robots to manage their jobs and contribute in new ways to society. or we'll end up like Black Mirror episode, working to power robots and being paid for watching ads
Tom Cheesewright
@HaiderME But every time you augment someone they can do the jobs of 1*n people - WhatsApp 90bn for 60 people / Google turning over $1m per head
Frederic Martinent
Yes there will be some adaptation period but we will figure out how to benefit from AI/robots, not feeling threatened
Tom Cheesewright
I think the disruption over the next 20 years will be hard. Solution likely comes in social change not new job creation.
Helen Keegan
@dankaplan maybe. time will tell.
Helen Keegan
yes! which is exactly why @lloyddavis and I are running these open space conversation sessions.
Ken Abbott
@dankaplan It's not necessarily "blue collar" jobs that are the most in danger. Hair stylists and plumbers would be hard jobs to automate.
Helen Keegan
@ken_abbott_fr @dankaplan exactly. White collar jobs are much more at risk this time around.
Helen Keegan
@bookofthefuture it's not so much luddite-ness (is that a word?!) as physical and mental capability that I have concerns about. We're not designing with that in mind. At least not yet.
Tom Cheesewright
@technokitten So you don't think the replacement will happen? Or you think there will still be new jobs for humans?
Helen Keegan
@bookofthefuture replacement will happen for sure. There will be new jobs but not for everyone. And it will change the dynamic of our workplace and redefine what work is. I'm as excited about it as I'm terrified!
Helen Keegan
@bookofthefuture re the ludditeness - that's more about services and that they're not designed for old people and really relates to a different thread!
Frederic Martinent
@technokitten I will have learnt a new word today :-)
Dan Kaplan
One part of @Gemalto report that was interesting and troubling was how little consideration the young people gave to the risks of persistent monitoring. When our devices and infrastructure collect tons of data to function, the doors to abuse open wide.
Remi de Fouchier
in the same time the use of these data will allow for real use of the connected cities. Need to find a way to "de personalize" them
Tom Cheesewright
Is this the new social media? First gen it was a novelty and they ignored risks. Current gen much more cautious (hence rise of Snapchat). Maybe it will take a generation before people are cautious about monitoring.
Helen Keegan
It's ignorance. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. The data is already out there and open to abuse and is abused. It can only get worse.
Dan Kaplan
@bookofthefuture Or a crisis of privacy.
Tom Cheesewright
@technokitten Don't agree - it's bad for the generation who were blind to it. Their children/younger brothers/sisters much smarter
Fabio Virgi
@bookofthefuture @dankaplan I honestly feel like over-monitoring & protection is borderline futile. Just like breaking into your house: if someone *really* wants to do it, they'll find a way.
Tom Cheesewright
@FabioVirgi_ That's why we need to get rid of big personal data stores - too attractive as targets. individuals much less so.
Fabio Virgi
@bookofthefuture now don't get me wrong - I value my privacy and all that - but we're living in an age where we're putting everything out for everyone to see. We gave up privacy the minute we signed up to Facebook and Twitter lol
Dan Kaplan
@FabioVirgi_ Tom's point about SnapChat is a good one. Is SnapChat's popularity about privacy or its novel interface?
Helen Keegan
Also check out Geoff White's 'The Secret Life of your Mobile Phone' https://www.secdata.... We know this stuff already, but Joe and Joanna Bloggs doesn't. And even if you know, it's still illuminating.
Helen Keegan
@bookofthefuture I hope so but I'm not seeing much evidence of that yet.
Tom Cheesewright
@FabioVirgi_ That's not true of the young now - they learned from our mistakes and they're much more cautious. FB is a hygiene function for them - necessary but not desired
Fabio Virgi
I think it's the novelty, 100% attention Snapchat requires as opposed to a stream of content, and using video/imagery as the medium. IMO, the 'privacy' is likely to be valued most by the people sexting more than anyone.
Jme
is that people see no other alternative where you data isn't captured/sifted, that they don't bother trying to change the status quo?
Kristen Nicole
@technokitten agreed. something will force a change