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One part of @Gemalto report that was interesting and troubling was how little consideration the young people gave to the risks of persistent monitoring. When our devices and infrastructure collect tons of data to function, the doors to abuse open wide.

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Remi de Fouchier

in the same time the use of these data will allow for real use of the connected cities. Need to find a way to "de personalize" them

Tom Cheesewright

Is this the new social media? First gen it was a novelty and they ignored risks. Current gen much more cautious (hence rise of Snapchat). Maybe it will take a generation before people are cautious about monitoring.

It's ignorance. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. The data is already out there and open to abuse and is abused. It can only get worse.

@bookofthefuture Or a crisis of privacy.

Tom Cheesewright

@technokitten Don't agree - it's bad for the generation who were blind to it. Their children/younger brothers/sisters much smarter

@bookofthefuture @dankaplan I honestly feel like over-monitoring & protection is borderline futile. Just like breaking into your house: if someone *really* wants to do it, they'll find a way.

Tom Cheesewright

@FabioVirgi_ That's why we need to get rid of big personal data stores - too attractive as targets. individuals much less so.

@bookofthefuture now don't get me wrong - I value my privacy and all that - but we're living in an age where we're putting everything out for everyone to see. We gave up privacy the minute we signed up to Facebook and Twitter lol

@FabioVirgi_ Tom's point about SnapChat is a good one. Is SnapChat's popularity about privacy or its novel interface?

Also check out Geoff White's 'The Secret Life of your Mobile Phone' https://www.secdata.... We know this stuff already, but Joe and Joanna Bloggs doesn't. And even if you know, it's still illuminating.

@bookofthefuture I hope so but I'm not seeing much evidence of that yet.

Tom Cheesewright

@FabioVirgi_ That's not true of the young now - they learned from our mistakes and they're much more cautious. FB is a hygiene function for them - necessary but not desired

I think it's the novelty, 100% attention Snapchat requires as opposed to a stream of content, and using video/imagery as the medium. IMO, the 'privacy' is likely to be valued most by the people sexting more than anyone.

is that people see no other alternative where you data isn't captured/sifted, that they don't bother trying to change the status quo?

@technokitten agreed. something will force a change

Remi de Fouchier12

2 contradictory objectives: protect privacy and "open data" models

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Xavier Larduinat

solution is to treat each data element with its own access control profile

Tom Cheesewright

Agreed - this will be really challenging to overcome. A means to allow the aggregation of personally owned data when it adds societal value

Xavier Larduinat

Open Data will no longer mean "widely open" data but more "Open-to-targets" data

One solution can be profiling data. But that itself created more problems in need of solutions.

Tom Cheesewright

I can see that we'll have personal data policies, automatically opening certain fields to certain people

@bookofthefuture Sounds a lot like port forwarding.

@bookofthefuture the new will

Tom Cheesewright

More like the way you buy a pension - 'yes to ethical investments, no to arms dealers'

Frederic Martinent10

By 2025 Siri-like personal assistants will be your most trusted employee/business partner/personal shopper. Discuss!

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I can believe this. Google Now is already doing a fantastic job of predicting what info will be useful, so when you pair that with loyalty schemes (Nectar points etc.) it's a powerful combo.

Tom Cheesewright

More like micro-clones of yourself - trained AI agents who act like you to do simple tasks - search/curation/simple shopping

Xavier Larduinat

Siri... or other UIs. For sure the Keyboard and the Mouse will be collector items

Tom Cheesewright

Again - fiction reference - @cstross Accelerando - nailed it in 2005

Society may get to a point where they will prefer human interaction over machine interaction. Especially when one may become more expensive than the other.

Once again though I don't believe the data will be the determining factor on this one; it'll be the interface & UX. How easy is it to execute a task? How accurate is prediction?

Tom Cheesewright

@4R1U5 Human interaction already premium - like direct mail in a world of email

Frederic Martinent

@FabioVirgi_ Google Now still has room for improvement: Always gives me soccer results whereas I'm not really a huge soccer fan (even if living in Marseille :-)

@bookofthefuture this is so true. It's like seeing someone's handwriting is fascinating nowadays!

I'm trying out the Fabulous app at the moment and am really enjoying the virtual coach - much more than I expected to. So yes, it's possible that Siri, Cortana, Alexa etc will be more and more indispensable.

Isn't that something you're able to tweak via the settings? Either way, the principle is there and it's still fairly early days. I can see it becoming huge when paired with other data about your life.

Have you seen the movie "Her"? http://bit.ly/1o2oSX... Will it be like this?

Facebook's Messenger M, Slack's Slackbot, Amazon's Alexa...all of these are super-interesting seeds to a strange, machine-assisted future.

Frederic Martinent

@technokitten Will give it a try

Frederic Martinent

@dankaplan yes, messaging bots are the new paradigm for user interaction on mobile, a replacement for apps

Pierre Metivier

@xlarduinat Collector items... in a few decades maybe. It takes time to change our interactions IRL. Cards haven"t replaced checks that haven't replaced coin/banknotes

Pierre Metivier

@xlarduinat voice is a great way to interact, less in public or noisy environment. many UI will coexist, as many payment schemes

I like the mix of sound effects, voice, music and visual prompts. They're on to something.

Tom Cheesewright

@PierreMetivier They have for the bulk of interactions - these things just hang around a long time. Like Vinyl!

Pierre Metivier

@bookofthefuture They even come back ;) #vintage

Pierre Metivier

@FredMartinent in the case of our discussion, I still believe the payment methods is more appropriate. Coexistence.

countdown to the days of Jarvis! and what's more trustworthy than a dedicated AI with no friends other than its master?

Tom Cheesewright

Ha! Yes - there will likely be some horror stories along the way

In 2025, will competitive advantage go to those who own the data, or those who provide the best experience?

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I'm guessing the two will be closely aligned. Think of a conversational A.I: the more data it has, the better the experience it delivers.

it will be who can best analyse the data to get actual insights to create or improve the experience. The data is already out there and can be found or bought.

@dankaplan But only if that data is good. Rubbish In Rubbish Out

fair to say a mix of both, but I think UX will be the deciding factor. You can know everything about me; it's how you translate that into something meaningful for me.

Data is the new oil, right?

@mkube and the oil price just tanked, right?

Tom Cheesewright

@FabioVirgi_ I agree - you can deliver a great experience with very little data, but it's easy to deliver a terrible experience (and no value) with loads of it

Xavier Larduinat

I would think that in a world of abundance of data, the user experience is king to determine who'll get the competitive advantage

@4R1U5 That's an excellent point. A conversational A.I. interface will have to be thoughtfully designed or it'll evolve into a mess, experience wise.

Tom Cheesewright

If there's a data gold rush on then as usual the ones making the money are the ones selling the shovels

Xavier Larduinat

Every enterprises will want to monetize the tons of "sleepy" data they already collect

@dankaplan we must take care in raising our machines, eh?

Services are very much the way here, yes

Yes, or they will take care of us! :)