CL2025

Our connected world in 2025
Join us for a lively debate on Feb 11th 3pm GMT (chat opens 1h early)
4R1U5
Is government policy one of the sole reasons innovative technology is being impeded? Is there another issue which could hinder expectant tech progress towards 2025? What if technological progress was unhindered. Would it be a good thing?
Tom Cheesewright
I think if you replace 'hindered' with 'considered' it's clearer
Tom Cheesewright
We shouldn't run into these things blindly, but there are frustrating areas where progress is retarded
GadgetsBoy
like war technology, it will become monopolized if not controlled. We don't want someone fixing cancer and keeping it all to themselves or selling it.
Tom Cheesewright
Though the biggest force for this is structural rigidity in established businesses and orgs, not regulation
4R1U5
@GadgetsBoy I'd rather whoever fixed my cancer would keep it and not give it back to me.
Dan Kaplan
Historically, government policy and institutional resistance has been the leading crusher of innovation. The Habsburgs in Austria-Hungary ripped up the railroads and crushed the local industrial revolution.
4R1U5
@GadgetsBoy You are right. Monetising technology has benefits only if the technology is for an entertainment standing and not well being.
Tom Cheesewright
@dankaplan Those are the big history moments but there's a permanent friction at work as well that is less visible but I think more important
Dan Kaplan
@bookofthefuture Agreed. That is the powerful, perhaps unstoppable force of evolution!
Pierre Metivier
@dankaplan Not all countries, interesting to see Brazilians youth very optimistic in the report. Remember their country motto - Ordem e Progresso - Order and progress - In their genes.
Dan Kaplan
@PierreMetivier The youthful optimism in the report was refreshing for sure.
4R1U5
@PierreMetivier @dankaplan I'm happy to see youth optimism. I'm worried it will be turn into expectation that concerns me.
Pierre Metivier
@dankaplan Yes. and government is also pushing. Progress / innovation is an important word in Brazil.
Dan Kaplan
@PierreMetivier They're certainly going to need a lot of it to get through.
Kristen Nicole
@PierreMetivier culture is a huge factor, yes. just look at Japan's gov't involvement for Industrial Internet vs. U.S. Preparedness goes a long way for both the bureaucracy and the public. There's always friction, but there can be progress too.
Pierre Metivier
@KristenNicole Yes.Progress and friction go together :-)
Xavier Larduinat
Today people need to manages their connectivity "manually": fixed line, WiFi, 3G/4G... Do you think 5G will be the "one and only" network in 2025? (managing the sub-networks automatically)
GadgetsBoy
I think by then, 5G will be a norm, with new network tiers in development
Tom Cheesewright
I really hope so. As I was saying, too much for device/app to manage at present
Xavier Larduinat
I believe 5G will bring the concept of "virtual networks": not all use cases need Ispeed AND latency. There will be Networks-as-a-service
Tom Cheesewright
Some need neither - e.g. low frequency data collection that is not time sensitive
Xavier Larduinat
Good point: Do you think LoRa is the solution for that?
H.
Some other "G", maybe. 5G is going to disappear quickly as well, followed by the next generation
H.
@bookofthefuture But isn't too much harmony in connectivity also a barrier to innovation?
Tom Cheesewright
That's why it should be an abstraction layer not a single standard - new air interfaces/protocols should be able to be plugged in
GadgetsBoy
Talking about the benefits, I think it will speed up a lot of processes, especially in health care, emergency services and more.
John Furrier
this is a great thread; healthcare is so perfect for this trend; tons of value to people and their communities
Xavier Larduinat
Agree. Healthcare is the next big thing... with driverless cars
John Furrier
this huge benefit my be slowed down by data regulation; so is the innovation bottom up or top down? This is the data dilemma
Tom Cheesewright
@furrier It will be enforced bottom up as suggested earlier. Innovation will always disrupt.
John Furrier
@xlarduinat I'm not sold on driverless cars yet great R&D but how fast do you think that would happen in todays' regulated world? It's also an issue with data not truly real time
Tom Cheesewright
@bookofthefuture Occasionally ideas that are too outlandish will be squashed but some will succeed
Tom Cheesewright
@furrier Plenty of on board processing now for driverless. US Navy decided robots were better at flying planes 50 years ago. They're definitely ready to drive cars.
Tom Cheesewright
I'm really interested in the low-cost collection of useful data - looked at a project previously cross referencing housing quality with healthcare interactions
John Furrier
@bookofthefuture thanks Tom I missed the earlier comment. agree and hopeful
mkube
Absolutely! #mHealth is a key area where the "things" in #IoT meet people, e.g. #AmbientAssistedLiving
Dan Kaplan
@bookofthefuture Innovation doesn't always wins. The wrong regulations or institutions will crush it.
Crowd Captain
@dankaplan Agree innovation is often killed by bad policy. Data must be free
GadgetsBoy
Also imagine a world where with IoT, emergency services can connect to a car involved in an accident, assess the severity, use the data to already notify the capable doctor and best mode of transport before they even get there.
Tom Cheesewright
@dankaplan They will crush some but usually the ones people find unappealing anyway. And reg power seems to be declining - see Moises Naim
Helen Keegan
I'm seeing a trend towards wellness (fitbit, coaching apps) which is less regulated. The medical stuff will come. Too important not to. And we already know that AI can make better diagnoses than doctors.
GadgetsBoy
@technokitten Even AI is fed information and data by humans tho right?
mkube
@mkube My tweet was shortened at a very unfortunate position. What I really meant: #AmbientAssistedLiving :-)
Pierre Metivier
This is what EU eCall alert service should be/will be.
Tom Cheesewright
There's an interesting combination of the two - computer+human always wins at chess
John Furrier
That is some fine QoS capability with real value
Helen Keegan
Not necessarily. Radiology uses AI and spots things humans cannot.
GadgetsBoy
@technokitten Interesting, would you say for AI to spot those things humans can't, it's just a matter of being able to process data and cross analyse data better than humans can? Rather than something AI just solves like that.
Dan Kaplan
@bookofthefuture Regulatory power (and innovation) seems to wax and wane in relations to the dominant political culture. When people are afraid or the power structure centralizes...
Helen Keegan
At the moment the computer has more data to hand & can process instantaneously. It's also building on knowledge each time. But that's now. In 2025?
mkube
Will we need to justify if we drive a car ourselves and not let the car drive itself?
GadgetsBoy
@technokitten very true, think by 2025, it will move to predicting and preventing issues before it occurs
Helen Keegan
Also, the computer is getting data input from machines & humans. And probably sensors in the future too.
Pierre Metivier
@technokitten Usual 2001 Space Odyssey reference
GadgetsBoy
@mkube that's such an interesting point. Like having to provide a rational as why you are driving a car by yourself to the police
Pierre Metivier
@technokitten Personal view - open road driverlesscar won't be ready by 2025, not mentioning insurance issues which are huge and not handle yet.
Helen Keegan
hmmm, yes. Except the 'worried well' is a thing and it wastes quite a lot of time and resource. It can also cause concern unnecessarily. There are cases where it's good to know and some we don't need to know.
Helen Keegan
@PierreMetivier the insurance part is fixable as it drives down the cost of insurance. The problem with driverless cars are cars with drivers rather than the other way around.
Pierre Metivier
@technokitten True of course, and pedestrians and cyclists and wild animals and schools in city .... I mentioned "open roads" / streets. POCs are easy.
Helen Keegan
@PierreMetivier the cars can deal with pedestrians, animals and cyclists better than a human driver can.
Pierre Metivier
@technokitten Not yet but yes, at one point, they will. And again, all these non automatic living entities will stay on the road/streets for a LONG time.
Kristen Nicole
@furrier I think this is an area where regulation will be forced to act quicker than other areas being advanced rapidly with connected technology, due to the inherent risks involved with driving and the emotional duress of bad consequences