openEMC

love that ... add staring Sean Connery

Gabriel Chapman

can you smell what the ROCK is cookin!

I think that's a nice combination, but it likely means tossing Nova, one of the more stable components of OpenStack.

@randybias IMO it means making the scheduler pluggable + rewriting Neutron to accomodate for container networking; nova can stay

Boris nice acronym but I do not think that will be the OpenStack container story.... LXC, Docker are active alternatives

Tyler Britten

Nova should be a general compute scheduler- instance could be a container or a vm

ewindisch

@randybias @vmtyler Nova is a machine abstraction, not a process one. It will own the undercloud for containers. Magnum might still succeed for public cloud, but private is fine /w Kubernetes and/or Swarm..

ewindisch

@randybias @vmtyler the Docker story looks like Engine+Swarm+Machine. For now, to be single-tenant, with machine deploying Docker Engine on VMs or bare-metal clouds, managed by Swarm.

John Furrier41

Q2: Why is openstack working so well? Is there a balance between old school open source and other new approaches vendors take. This is a case study imho; love some insight into opensource in the new modern era

Open Source unlocks value for end customers by enabling them the freedom to choose from a wide range of hardware and software solutions

Enterprise focus of OpenStack is a great example of this momentum

Enabled by certification with open platforms such as Red Hat OpenStack http://goo.gl/FEf9pE http://goo.gl/gJxjx6

Active ecosystem of such open platform is provenance of the OSS model at work

There have been plenty of open source Cloud Platforms. OpenStack "won" through it's broad based ecosystem. But we as a community have a ton of room to improve.

Ashok Bhojwani

100% agree with @blueboxjesse - a Broader Ecosystem gives more Choice to Customers.

Everytime their is partnering everyone assumes it's a "barney" deal; Cloudfoundry is doing well and recent Open Data Platform was announced. I think there is a coexistance between pure opensource and open core. Can it work?

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Mark Brown

from a development standpoint, Openstack is a good mix between independent modularity and interoperation.

Gabriel Chapman

I think a lot of it has to do with the applications that orgs want to leverage are no longer "off the shelf", and the devs are building apps around the new deployment model (open stack)

Ashok Bhojwani

Even if its Open, there needs to be some form of Standards for the environment to be stable. Plus its less headaches for the Customers to deploy as well. Standardization is the key.

the OpenStack community is thriving the to point of verticalization

In some ways it's the same pro/con: developer-centricity. OpenStack has been very developer friendly. That's also why it's been a challenge to mature it in a faster manner.

Solutions focus is what will propel the next wave of innovation

ewindisch

I disagree with the thesis that OpenStack is working well.

@ewindisch that's a good conversations and lots of data here; it's not a #fail but it has legs; where it runs we'll see; your thoughts?

Ashok Bhojwani

@ewindisch - It goes back to not having a standard to compare to. Due to so many variables, some customers may have been successful, some may not.

swardley

: "Why is openstack working so well?" - how are you measuring "working so well?"

Boris Renski19

Mirantis will integrate Kubernetes with OpenStack =) http://onforb.es/1Fo...

Mirantis Joins In To Help Integrate Google's Kubernetes With OpenStack
Exhibit one - Mirantis is perhaps the highest profile pure-play OpenStack vendor. Its savvy use of media storms and the huge amount of funding it has got have shone a spotlight on the company and what it does. Exhibit two - Docker is, of course, one ...

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Kenneth Hui @rubrikInc HQ

Nice. How do u think containers will impact hypervisors in the OpenStack ecosystem?

Great move. Bravo to the entire @MirantisIT team.

Ryan Wallner

+ The Magnum project is starting to gain attraction with developers, using Kubernetes as well, is this a separate effort?

. @zer0tweets Kubernetes is a force to be dealt with lots of traction with developers glad Google opensourced it

on Magnum @RyanWallner interesting submission by @adrian_otto: Docker 101 & magnum among other stuff https://www.openstac...

There will be many container orchestration tools Kubernetes is just one. Lets give them all time to mature and see who wins.

Ryan Wallner

@jaazannos agreed will need time to mature, wondering what will be big use cases for CaaS - NFV, PaaS, Big Data Sols etc

@jaazannos that's exactly the point. Don't commit to any one container ochestration tool. OpenStack's pluggable model to support them all while standards are emerging in the space

Boris Renski23

While Neutron community keeps going in circles fixing upstream OVS, Juniper Contrail will become "the Ceth of networking" for OpenStack

what about The #OpenStack #Neutron #OpenDaylight #ODL integration

also can you comment about Neutron and OpenShift Network Integration

Seems like a low bar being set. Besides, OVS+VXLAN appears to have already taken the high ground here.

OpenDay Light + DPDK accellerated OVS open SDN story that Red Hat is pushing will still not scale, because vanilla OVS is very unstable

OVS isn't the only standard. ML2 + Linux Bridge is a capable implementation. Though it would be nice to a small number of SDN software frameworks rise to dominance.

Neurtron will develop the gateway to SDNs. I believe Juniper Contrail, Nuage, Midokura, Metaswitch and CPlane are all working SDNs.

I think the question is not which one is best but rather what is the right SDN for the specific use case

What we are doing is making sure all these SDNs work with OpenStack through our OpenStack Interoperability Lab (OIL) http://partners.ubun...

@jaazannos at this point the best SDN is the one that works at scale; we are too early for "use case specific SDNs"

@blueboxjesse That isn't a standard is it? I think you are possibly referring to 802.1q VLAN standard?

I agree with that. Working SDN is still a challenge, but I don't think anyone has nailed it for certain. Still, working SDN as a bar sounds a lot more interesting than the first bar you put out there.

@randybias /Standard/Routing Implementation/. A pro and a con of Neutron are the numerous implementations that can sit behind its API.

Gabriel Chapman

I think what it really means is that networking continues to be the bigger struggling block as compared to the other core components

Alex Barreto19

OpenStack continues to rapidly innovate following the dynamics of open community collaboration. As a result some elements of OpenStack will become more mature, while others will still have a ways to go, and with other new elements being introduced by the

the myriad of companies and individuals contributing the OpenStack project. http://goo.gl/KkTSGL

The core has become more mature

The newer projects are on their way

The tagging methodology OpenStack is moving to will help organization and competition of projects in a material way.

Some projects are significantly more mature than others and it isn't necessarily about whether they are in core or not. Neutron is a prime example of a project that desperately needs help.

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OpenDaylight continues to gain momentum

We will continue to have various degrees of maturity - the question is how we get and keep the "core" of openstack stable and product ready.