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OpenStack, Amazon, and Open Clouds: Life on the ground at OSCON
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Question: Openstack vs Cloudstack? What do enterprises do if they are dipping their toes in the water??
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Joshua McKenty is CloudStack still a thing? Seriously?
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Joshua McKenty IaaS means Compute, Storage, and Networking at a minimum. CloudStack uses OpenStack Storage...
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Boris Renski they will use Citrix cloud portal that Citrix will make compatible with OpenStack underneath
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Joshua McKenty no disrespect to @ulander, but 30% of cloudstack commits in the last month were by only 6 people.
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Randy Bias Interest in CloudStack appears to be waning. I only see it in a couple of places these days. Mostly service providers.
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John Furrier @mattwallace VMW +16.72%. Is it possible the answer is "neither openstack nor cloudstack"?
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John FurrierNaN
Randy: In summary what would you like to see happen in your vision give at least 3 examples/specifics
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Randy Bias 1) We need to create an AWS compatibility summit for OpenStack and get everyone around the table who cares.
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Randy Bias 2) We need to immediately stop thinking of public clouds as enemies; this includes expressing such
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Randy Bias 3) We need a common AWS interoperability test suite that is combined with the OpenStack CI system and refstack to allow for testing AWS compatibility and measuring how well we are doing.
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John FurrierNaN
Question: Is Opencloud a reality or pipe dream?
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Joshua McKenty yes.
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Randy Bias What is open cloud? Please tell me that first. :)
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Joshua McKenty I worked, briefly, on the space elevator community. It's forecast to succeed 15 years after people stop laughing. Same here.
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Randy Bias Define it.
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Boris Renski IMHO, interop between clouds that are driven by independent, unaffiliated entities is a pipedream unless you use a proxy on the top like righscale or enstratus
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Joshua McKentyNaN
The nirvana of hybrid cloud that people actually *want* is still 5 years out; I give even odds that OpenStack gets there before any single vendor.
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John Furrier unless Openstack gets forked
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David Kavanagh That assumes OpenStack gets enough public cloud traction.
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Randy Bias It can become the de facto solution for hybrid cloud even sooner if the AWS APIs are embraced rather than shunned.
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Randy Bias Actually, IP address portability is fine if you use a mechanism like AWS VPC. Or are you talking about public IP portability?
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Mathew Lodge I'll take you up on that :-)
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Stuart Miniman are you talking about real federation of applications aka bursting?
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Stuart Miniman are you talking about real federation of applications aka bursting?
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John FurrierNaN
Question: What are the top stories that are relevant at #oscon2013 so far
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Joshua McKenty Obviously, the IBM+Pivotal announcement this morning is a big deal.
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Jeff Frick Buzz Challenged with no cube?
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John FurrierNaN
Question: Why is Cassandra getting so much traction and funding re: Datastax
http://twitter.com/PatrickMcFadin/status/360152409609216001
PatrickMcFadin
I've run into so many people at #oscon saying "I'm using #Cassandra now. I would like to talk to you about it" that I've run out of cards
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Ed Leafe Man, imagine what this discussion would be like if my suggestion to use Cassandra in OpenStack had been adopted! ;-)
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Randy Bias Not to be too flip, but probably because it "just works" as a scale-out datastore? The Netflix performance numbers were stunning. https://www.you...
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Jeff Frick Cassandra vs Mongo? Both seem to be kicking tail
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John Casaretto I also think the funding is trending away from the errant valuation put on ad-centric entries like FB
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John Casaretto Then again FB put up some impressive revenue today it seems
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Mike KavisNaN
From an implementer's viewpoint, the simpler it is to move workloads between private (Open Stack) and public (AWS) the better. I see OS and AWS as complementary, not competitors
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Joshua McKenty do you want to *move* them, or have workloads span both environments?
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Randy Bias Yes. Completely agree.
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Remember, OpenStack is thus-far defined by doing things that were supposedly impossible. Many comparisons are irrelevant.
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Geoff Arnold Could you give one example? (Or are you talking about business/politics?)
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Joshua McKenty we violated the mythical man-month, hacked conway's law, and shipped on time.
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Joshua McKentyNaN
Randy, why do you think the OpenStack community needs an API opinion? @Piston and @Cloudscaling both support AWS, based on open source code, isn't that enough?
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Randy Bias Actually, I don't think it does need an opinion. I think less of an opinion would help everyone using something like OCCI. Then folks like @Piston and @cloudscaling can add their own flavor(s) of API on top.
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Randy Bias Or the community can support a variety of different flavors of API. Also, then refstack and the CI system can be used to validate these flavors.
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Geoff Arnold Do you really support AWS? Can your Cinder/EBS snapshot into Swift/S3 with 100% fidelity? It's not just the API calls; it's deep semantic equivalence.
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Geoff Arnold Put another way: can you run all of the Netflix OSS on top of your AWS APIs? If not, what breaks?
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Joshua McKentyNaN
Q2: When you're thinking about AWS compatibility, what subset of services do you think of addressing?
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Randy Bias I think it's about the core infrastructure services that are already commoditized: EC2, S3, ELB, VPC, EBS, etc.
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Randy Bias Stuff that is highly differentiated and proprietary should be ignored like SimpleDB and DynamoDB.
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John Furrier what should happen to the other APIs
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Joshua McKenty EC2, S3, and EBS are simple - because they're similar across public & private envs. Networking, less so.
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