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9/22 CSC #Speedideation
Topic today is: Public Wifi for Business
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Jerry Overton
I would love to drop my mobile provider and go WiFi-only. It's not practical now. Is that day coming?
Soren Helsted
Me too. Wonder if we are at a tipping point with the iPhone 6 now supporting, which again may bring US carriers to support the feature and more following, ending up with potentially WiFi-only. Any thoughts on this?
Jerry Overton
@sorenhelsted Still waiting for a new type of mobile carrier blanketing the world with cheap mobile hotspots...and my flying car.
Soren Helsted
Flying car was hot in the 50s - I remember seeing series about that in the TV when my son was young ;-)
Soren Helsted
How do you think we can provide cheap mobile hotspots? Crowdsourcing? Government? Other?
Sorin Costea
@sorenhelsted what could be the financial gain for carriers to offer cheap hotspots? Looks like moving customers outside their control...
Soren Helsted
@sorincos or keeping customers who would otherwise move to another technology. If you see this as an innovators dilemma and WiFi as the disruptor.
Claus Hetting
In the US consumers are inside (free or not) Wi-Fi areas about 80% of the time. There are two new 'Wi-Fi First' (or only) MVNOs doing the Wi-Fi only thing right now. One is called Scratch.
Sorin Costea
@sorenhelsted dunno whether I can think about carriers as "innovators" at all :) My bad.
Soren Helsted
I think that WiFi coverage 80% of the time sounds right - at home, in the office, in cafe's/restaurants. And in busses and trains when you commute. Maybe even in your car (but of course thats powered off mobile data)
Soren Helsted
Sorin - maybe not, and then they will be history :-)
Soren Helsted
Do you have any second thoughts of using WiFi - including free public WiFi - in connection with data security and your business data?
Claus Hetting
There are ways to make Wi-Fi completely secure for example with the Hotspot 2.0 standard. Such standards are in fact so secure that they're even approved by the 3GPP (mobile standards organisation).
Soren Helsted
I was thinking that with secure WiFi, maybe it would be possible to crowdsource coverage of WiFi - when you are in cities you often have access to loads of private hot spots that could be used to get better coverage indoor
Claus Hetting
Yep, things like that in fact already exist. Devicescape is for example a company that does that mostly in the US. They've crowd-sourced something like 15 million Wi-Fi hotspots in America and put them all into a network.
Soren Helsted
I seem to remember that the Danish operator TDCs cable company is doing something of that sort as well, i.e. that each user's hot spot is used for others as well - maybe TDC has an opportunity here to couple those WiFi hot spots to their service
Sorin Costea
UPC Cablecom offers same free shared hotspots in Switzerland, Netherland, Poland, Ireland... but how's coverage?
Soren Helsted
We are getting close to the end of todays speed ideation on Public #WiFi for Business. Thank you for your participation, you can find more of our speed innovations at speedinnovation.com
Claus Hetting
It's quite possible for business to get the benefits of public Wi-Fi connectivity. This is especially valuable for international roaming, for example. iPass of the US has been pioneering this for while.
Soren Helsted
Does iPass provide both data and speech or just data?
Soren Helsted
Are there any legal issues if you crowdsource WiFi? If someone taps data when you use their hotspot, or if someone use your hotspot for hacking?
Claus Hetting
Yep, it's a tough one. I think if the hotspots are open then it's up to the hotspot provider to secure it. But I must admit I'm not a legal expert in that area :-)
Sorin Costea
as enduser you can choose to use a hotspot only when it implements certain contracts. As provider there's no way to get out of the liability zone.
ubiqinno
what if all users are authenticated, and you log access and data, then you know who sent what?
Sorin Costea
@ubiqinno the challenge is, logging all that while also respecting privacy rights...
Claus Hetting
It's documented that Wi-Fi is faster that mobile. If planned and deployed correctly, it's many times better than even LTE.
Soren Helsted
How about coverage of WiFi? Indoor in e.g. a conference area it is quite doable to put in sufficient WiFi coverage, but how about outdoor?
Claus Hetting
Outdoor is harder but there are certainly companies doing this successfully. Towerstream US is doing high-quality outdoor Wi-Fi in New York City - probably the hardest place on Earth to do Wi-Fi. But they're doing it :-)
Soren Helsted
What technology do they use? I have heard about municipalities that want to use street lights with build-in WiFi access points, it that a winning solution?
Claus Hetting
Towerstream has worked for years on refining their solution together with Ruckus. Streetlight Wi-Fi would work. But the service needs to be easy to get on - that's the main thing.
Soren Helsted
You are right about easy access. Just like I have 4 WiFi access points in my house, they all have the same SSID and password so i dont know which one I am actually on and as I move around the house there is smooth handover
Sorin Costea
can WiFi hotspots handle bypassers without hammering the service? Didn't think protocols were built for that but I'm not knowledgeable about it.
ubiqinno
WiFi is often mentioned as an alternative (and usually better) to mobile data. How about Voice over WiFi which is introduced by Apple in their new iPhone, any experience with that?
Soren Helsted
I was thinking about Quality of Service may be an issue. Sound quality of cell voice might be very bad but you would like to get your emergency calls through.
Sorin Costea
@sorenhelsted what's voice over wifi offering beyond the ages old voice over IP?
Soren Helsted
Not sure about the details but I see it as the same and the idea of making a 3G/GSM call that can move to VoIP and back
Soren Helsted
Thank you for joining todays speedideation session - are you satisfied with mobile data or do you think WiFi can do it better?
ubiqinno
I often have problems with data rates on mobile data - even with good coverage
Sorin Costea
@ubiqinno indeed, mobile data prices can kill one's plans quite fast. Mitigation being to build stuff FOR that.
ubiqinno
I was actually thinking about data rates/speed not cost