devopsvaluestreams

My view is the first use tools that can generate data to identify key events to manage

Having a end to end visibility in the data is key

usually you need to identify the value stream to focus first

Agreed. these key events can used to elicit metrics/ KPIs that are important for driving your devops lifecycle

@dlogiudice Which Value Stream would you recommend starting with?

which then map to value streams you identified

eliminate waste, define the target VSM and implement the pipeline to automate as much as possible to improve.

the tools will generate data, so you need to create a baseline of that data, define the important metrics you want to track and compare/analyse and improve..

define the short list of critical applications you want to start with the identify their key stake holders

NOOOOOOOO !!!....

Devops is agile.

#devops is a mindset

no, DevOps extends Agile

Agile and DevOps are two sides of the same coin, the metaphor I use is: Agile is like having the ferrari you enjoy it, the CX is great and you can go really fast !!!...

But a ferrari (Agile) needs a nice motorway or freeway so that you can go fast, on a winding road you might have fun with a ferrari but can't go that fast, if bumpy definitively can't.

I respectfully disagree with @dlogiudice bc fast is the new norm and with opensource as the innovation standard no one can go slow. Slow=death

automation and software like ML AI etc will create value from the data and old slow proceses and people

So you need a nice freeway or motorway to be able to go fast and enjoy the experience...that's DevOps: Architecture, Infrastructure, automation....

But both Agile + DevOps share the Lean the principles of : elimination of waste, focus on value, focus on people etc. etc.

@dlogiudice Hello! Long time!

@furrier I did not say we need to go slow ..totally agree is a race to go fast, and its one speed: Fast...that said to get there organizations go a multiple speeds...(the two speed or bimodal does not work).

@plburris Hi peter nice to hear from you too !!

@dlogiudice please don't say bimodal bc there are many speeds of IT :-)

I can live with DevOps completes and adds to Agile though...

Both use a common foundation -- empirical, iterative, and opportunistic -- applied to different roles. Throwing a baseball is like throwing a football: different contexts and roles.

To me it's an environment where both developers and ops adopt agility techniques where the infrastructure is programmable using microservices

So the infrastructure has networking, compute, storage, and all of that is changing in that it's becoming programmable

Once it has APIs, you can do things like DevOps. You can start to do things like really have good flexibility with how you deploy your applications, you can get much more rapid deployment of apps, and you can get improved apps

So, the big thing that's going on is that there's this huge industry transformation in front of us, and the transformation is in how applications meet infrastructure, and this has happened as applications go to the cloud

And it becomes more effective if you also have some level of Agile maturity, so that both Dev and Ops are moving in the same direction (the common theme is Lean for both Agile and DevOps).

one misperception is that both dev and ops can grow one doesn't have to grow fast than the other. Ops never goes away

But DevOps is not just about infrastructure and automation it is also about shared purpose and goals between Dev and Ops...which goals? Business goals.

@furrier And I totally agree there ..... NoOPs is a dream...

Conceive, build, ship in minutes. It could be automated with bots and AI and whatnot, so this is the trend. Talking about that dynamic, 'cause that requires a fundamental rethinking and reimagining of the Cloud, security, how apps are built.

agree with the "NoOps" comment. Even "unicorns" are learning this the hard way

@dlogiudice Ops is being squeezed but ops will shift to apps not go away we are on the same page

right now there are 10 IT ops guys to every 100 app devs and 1 security guy in the current old model this has to shift burden on IT Ops is too great

this is where #devops shines it actually is great for app devs but also helps ops too

which is why I am seeing devops vendors now focusing on the enterprise ops buyer :-0

Totally agree with Eric. People are realizing that ops folks know lots about the business but getting more opensource and app devs going is tranformative

I say the COO for sure not the CIO but that's me

The person or persons most closely aligned to the LOB

In some organizations it's the PMO office that deals with measurement and values, reporting into the CIO.

Conway's law will drive the value of VSM imho

it would be nice to see the LOB business owners becoming more accountable for VSM.

This is the key bc without organization change Devops will never happen it'

It's not the manifesto it's the org https://en.wikipedia...

that said all stakeholders have a stake in VSM to have their view in the pipeline: QA for quality, Ops for Infrastructure performance, Business for Value.

My premise is that because data is involved to make VSM work then it puts the ownership on the entire organization from the bottom to the top both on the mgt and stack side

DevOps. Now, next question, is who owns VSM(s) that includes DevOps. That leads to concerns about engagement by LOBs.