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VMware's Project Photon
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mmars
have to be honest, still not sure how I feel about Yet Another Linux Distribution.
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Eric L Nielsen
I'm thinking it really is something that is tied to a particular cloud provider
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Eric L Nielsen
Just my two cents..
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Ryan Kelly
please share your thoughts
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Tom Hite
Einstein once said (close quote) -- if a thought is not at first thought absurd, it has no hope. By that very smart man, even if something thinks more linux is absurd, it's all good!
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Eric L Nielsen
=)
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Tom Hite
one thing I like about #photon is its simplicity with #vmware. It just works, and installs ridiculously quickly. That matters.
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Gregory Murray
fair enough. Please keep me updated, as time goes on, if we're earning a place in your mind.
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Eric L Nielsen
I agree, even on a slow 5 year old Mac I was up, running and logged in in less then 1 minutes. So very very clean
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Ryan Kelly
as a cloud automation specialist I like #Photon because it is fast, lean and small.
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mmars
@vmtocloud and CoreOS or Project Atomic are not?
Eric L Nielsen
Does the ISO image have all the bits, micro, small, medium, large, I notice it's 1gig, so takes a bit of time to download it. I assume ISO has all the options.
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Chris Adams
yes, the ISO allows for a few install options.
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Gary Coburn
iso will allow you micro, container engine, full, and custom install options
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Tom Hite
Three options: micro (truly a JEOS); mid level (just enough to run a good container setup) and full (k8s, docker, et al). That's why the size.
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Tom Hite
but remember, it's not the size of the package that matters, it's the size of the present (micro is tunable to extreme level, the others are excellent starters).
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Eric L Nielsen
Thanks Tom, I'm going to writeup a "docker for idiots" getting started FAQ, for those of us who have never played with docker.
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Tom Hite
don't ignore rocket, though. :) part of the game as well. #vmware is about options.
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Ed Grigson
@tdhite Are VMware pushing the same agenda as Rocket, or happy to let it play out?
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Tom Hite
@egrigson I'm not really in a position to suggest VMware 'pushes' any angle. But I do believe in our general view that choice is good.
mmars
why project photon? why not contribute to another #linux distribution?
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Tom Hite
-- we want to give back to the community a #vmware optimized distro.
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Gregory Murray
several reasons - avoiding "choosing a winner" from our partners, of course.
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Tom Hite
one of our core beliefs is supporting choices, those we offer and others if needed.
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Eric L Nielsen
will VMware add components that give photon an advantage while running in a vSphere environment.
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Gregory Murray
but, also, some of the goals of Photon, like extending SDDC to containers, isn't 100% aligned with any partner, at present.
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Gregory Murray
that said, when you look at things like Lightwave, we're definitely going to be contributing broadly.
Tom Hite
#photon and #vmware, having now headed into the cloud native apps space, makes good sense to me. How many of you are truly comfortable with micro services, containers, and the life cycle managers like docker, mesos and the rest? Is that all giggerish?
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John Furrier
I love #vmware messaging around cloud native apps very strong direction - that is the future
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John Furrier
. @tdhite questions is what is a microservices?
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John Furrier
@furrier I'm just guessing here but I think most of those kinds of features will be part of a bigger platform
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Ed Grigson
I think it's new to many in the VMware world, but there's so much info around that education is easy, at least the basics.
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Tom Hite
Interesting, many of those want to be the platform. I see it as #vmware remains that, and as you note, those are features.
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Tom Hite
that is, after all, the #photon gig -- choices on the photon platform on #vmware.
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Tom Hite
how's that for geek marketing?
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John Furrier
I think that's smart enterprises want choice but also don't want to manage tons of 3rd party features better to be native in platform
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Martijn Baecke
And don't forget the "legacy". Although developers thing the world only consist out of docker, microservices, etc. The real world still has a load of client-server apps. Even mainframe!
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Tom Hite
thank you @baecke -- correct.
Eric L Nielsen
At the Silicon Valley VMUG, of 100 people in the general session, only 8 people raised their hand when Kit mentioned "who has heard of docker". Is this more focused at WebDev, rather then enterprise apps?
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Tom Hite
the word to think of is 'devops' -- many that concentrate on the ops side of the house have to keep things running so devs can progress. devs have time to 'dockerize' their world.
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Tom Hite
with DevOps for VMware, now a group at #vmware, I foresee much alignment in the future. So we'll see more hands.
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Martijn Baecke
This will indeed change over time. Typical VMUG audience is Ops. And some haven't yet been exposed to containers. That will change in the near future.
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John Furrier
they must be old school enterprises docker is hot in the early adopter developers
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John Furrier
. @ericni25 that signals that "containers" from other vendors are viable bc it's not mainstream yet
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Eric L Nielsen
Interesting, yes VMware's core audience is enterprise, and I'm wondering if docker is seen more as a startup rapid deployment tech offering.
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John Furrier
I think the movement from #devops to #cloudops will be about being mainstream not "super geeky" and that is that big opportunity to win; make it easy
Blake Garner
How will updated to the Photon OS be delivered once the vms are in production?
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Chris Adams
- Updates will be done via yum.
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Gregory Murray
for now, it's yum-based ... but, poking around, you'll see mentions of rpm-ostree, too. We've seen strong demand for both package-based and monolithic management.
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Blake Garner
OK so will we be able to host our own internal repo then? Is it possible to set that up yet?
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Gregory Murray
in this first release, use createrepo call on that local dir and a corresponding .repo file
Blake Garner
How soon until we see vSphere Guest customization support for Photon?
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Gary Coburn
@vmtocloud has a great write up on his blog with a work around that can be used today to customize and automate
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Gregory Murray
we're looking at whether it makes sense to wire into the vSphere guest customization or focus on cloud-init. Would appreciate your thoughts.
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Blake Garner
Our private cloud uses vSphere Guest customization today. If I want to use photon today that's needed. need to look at cloud-init long term.
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Ryan Kelly
workaround here http://www.vmtocloud...
Eric L Nielsen
Three minutes left, just wanted to thank everyone for joining. We get a twitter surge from this, which is always great! Also fun to engage with everyone, I'm really excited to be hanging around a cool project! Go Photon!
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John Furrier
I was the one who added more time sorry about that
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John Furrier
this was really amazing data sharing very good targeted info on photon
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Eric L Nielsen
Thanks John !
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John Furrier
All I can think about is Star Trek ... fire photon torpedoes
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Tom Hite
enjoyed everyone's thoughts.
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Gregory Murray
Thank you all for the time!
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Eric L Nielsen
Have a great rest of your day folks! thanks again