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Chris Preimesberger6

Q3 Is Oracle on to something with its new virtual private cloud environment? This means that Oracle will manage all of its cloud services--including its foundational Autonomous Exadata Database--behind a company’s private firewall, as if it were a conventional on-premises system

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A3 Customers want this. It enables different cost structure and that might serve a customer better. Different work loads with heavy traffic or transaction demands may work better like this. Eventually the lines of Cloud will blur and Hybrid Clouds will exist.

Tony Cai - Nerdio

So similar to Azure Stack, but Oracle's flavor of it?

A3: Press release wasn't too clear.....but I'm not sure end users will want to put "all their eggs" in the Oracle basket. Good for them though - if they have some powerful customers asking for it

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A3: goes a little back to my A1 that customers will value 'managed'. But (and maybe this is where you were going w/ 'customized'), this behind-firewall will require heavy lift of 'services' and so not so much a product-scaling oppty. imho @editingwhiz

A3: This is a growing trend. SAP has a similar capability. Customers increasingly want the flexibility of the public cloud model with the control that a private cloud provides. Ultimately, workloads will seamlessly move from the edge to the cloud.

A3-continued: so there will always be a group that want "dedicated" and that becomes more similar to the services / staff-augmentation story that we've had for decades than a product-led story. But the articles do make it sound fancy. @editingwhiz

@SoftIronCEO Agree. Hybrid cloud is the ultimate destination. This is one example of a deployment model.

@larry_lunetta Sounds right. But what is stopping the customer from building it themselves? Is Oracle's value-add significant here?

Chris Preimesberger

A3: Customers apparently want all the functionality and welcome the "one throat to choke" provider to handle all those functions for them. No best of breed here!

a3: AWS and Google have been successful providing their previously public-only cloud functionality on premise, makes it easy to have the same deployment methodologies/code no matter where your app is running. So it makes sense for Oracle to do this.

Tony Cai - Nerdio

A3: There are customers with HCI looking for the same management capability as managing public cloud. While #AzureStack is very exciting and adoption is there, different players are entering the space.

A3: not one to talk about other technology companies implementations but I think we're seeing that neither cloud nor on-premises have achieved the desired end state yet. They will continue to borrow from each other and change. We've seen that in our own journey.

@seanleach fair point. Those 'stacks' and 'outposts' ... would you say they're similar to Oracle Dedicated? FWIW, I felt the what AWS / GCP are doing is bringing the same APIs / cloud on-prem and Dedicated was about taking on the servicing.

@seanleach True, all the public cloud guys want to keep their ownership of their customer's data as they deploy in hybrid. Still locked into them, no better security...

@SoftIronCEO I agree on the "no better security". The cloud providers have amazing security teams - it is very difficult to try and build a similar organization internally. I am a huge fan of using the public cloud to be able to take advantage of this security talent

@seanleach Agreed on security provided by the cloud. However, this topic of encryption and key management doesn't get enough airtime. Why trust the cloud providers with both? separating lock and key is obviously a best practice.

Chris Preimesberger0

Q3 on deck ...

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Chris Preimesberger0

On fog computing: Here's an interview from October 2017 with the co-founder of the OpenFog Consortium (for later viewing after our #eWEEKchat!): https://www.eweek.com/big-data-and-analytics/expla...

Explaining the Long-Term Value of Fog Computing
The 2-year-old OpenFog Consortium held its first-ever conference, the Fog World Congress, Oct. 30 and 31. It was a modest-size gathering (about 300 attendees) at the Marriott in in Santa Clara, Calif.

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Q2: Did "fog computing" sort of melt into edge?

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hard to pin down where the fog is/was :).

A2. Yes - proprietary Cisco term went #opensource

A2: Fog Computing was Cisco's term for edge...and yes...we believe its all merged together now

@SoftIronCEO nice!

A2: Yes, the veil of "fog" is lifting as better edge to cloud management systems enable IT to leverage custom-built compute and storage resources at the edge while integrating them with data center and traditional cloud.

Tony Cai - Nerdio

A2: Fog computing and Edge computing are blending if not the same. Its either running in someone elses datacenter or your own. Marketing terms :D

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A2: bringing more services to edge (as connectivity, real-time demand increases) is happening. Having that serve from new arch / patterns too. So that's super real.

I think Fog was Cisco way of trying to blur the lines between true edge and datacenter/cloud. While they are 3 different things - they all need to work together.

a2: Fog computing really never took off as a term, it was very nebulous/misunderstood. Even "edge" can mean different locations based on who you ask. We define the edge as the intersection/touch point between the end user/device and the cloud

@brucekornfeld Right.

@seanleach agreed on your definition. However another slice is to say that edge is anything outside the datacenter or cloud. its a little more broad, but real.

Edge also implies where and how data is generated and processed. Increasingly, IoT-based applications need almost real time access to compute resources.

Chris Preimesberger

Fog, edge, IoT ... oh, my!

Yes IoT but lots of other examples. what about retail outlets with 1,000s of site...they (sometimes) must have onsite "kit" for real time as well

a2: I had a customer, a large brewery, say to me just the other week. You guys call this all sorts of things, I guess its edge now. We've just had it instrumented for years. This is how we build better products with our data, we cant move it or get the speed in public cloud.

@brucekornfeld Yes - data creation and infrastructure is moving to places where data centers didn't use to be and will require a different class of solution wrt. perf., security & mgmt

Chris Preimesberger

So instrumentation provides the metrics neeed for admin, no matter what where the data is?

@brucekornfeld how do you define the "cloud"? :) you can have a cloud running at the edge. We see the "cloud" as more of a deployment definition (i.e. not have to build/run your own network/servers/apps), not a location.

edges are small (our perspective)...if you have big ol building with lots of gear in there at the "Edge"...isn't that a cloud? (good debate to have!!!)

@SoftIronCEO This is what I mean when I talk about different class of security and provenance: https://softiron.com/secure-provenance/

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Q2 coming right up ...

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A1: One of the things we see is the move to more secure cloud-based applications and handling encryption and key management in more advanced ways. In particular, allowing end users to bring their own keys so they aren't dependent and cloud providers for both. Much more secure

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Chris Preimesberger

Does this require more specific skills from devsecops, and does it mean more jobs being created?

Yes Chris! Cloud devops will save the economy with more jobs

interestingly enough - the cloud providers are making it easier for users to deploy their own keys. Google and Azure have both recently announced programs to let third party key manager integrate seamlessly.

so no major effort required from devops to make this work - standards are helping...

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Q1: Generally, what trends are you seeing in the delivery of next-generation cloud services? What new features are we seeing?

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A1. From a customer pov, I see that there's the desire to focus on their area of differentiation. At the same time, every customer has a diff pov :). So something I think is important is the move towards how to enable 'fully managed' and 'self-managed' style services

A1. Big move to #hybridcloud right now. We're seeing a big focus on secure provenance - a transparent audit of products being deployed, and a shift away from proprietary solns. to #opensource.

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A1: Cloud services are no longer defined by a "place" (i.e. a public cloud) but by the experience of IT and the user. As a result, even though the workloads may run at the edge, in a data center, etc., the agility, scalability and control of "cloud" will apply.

Tony Cai - Nerdio

A1: With the pandemic happening around the globe, we are seeing the adoption of #WFH technologies including the use of #WindowsVirtualDesktop, it has picked up a lot of steam in the past several months as workers needs secure, fast and manageable cloud endpoint to access data.

a1: The main trends we are seeing are around the realization that serverless is the preferred deployment model for new applications / next generation architectures. Real-time and in depth observability is also a requirement / focus area.

Chris Preimesberger

@radio_eric Interesting. So does this mean that most or all cloud deployments are going to be customized going forward?

@larry_lunetta well said ;-)

AI: I think WFH is a great example. That comprises network access from a remote location with the management and security provided in a variety of locations, including the cloud.

@SoftIronCEO No doubt - we are seeing this trend as well. It is a powerful way to avoid provider lock-in

Chris Preimesberger

@SoftIronCEO Phil, how do you separate hybrid from multi-cloud deployments?

With the use of microservices, organizations can customize where and how they deliver IT resources.

a1: people are not getting cloud value for every workload. With edge lighting up and data centers not going away they need to think about Cloud as an operating model that extends to all these environments. #Iwork4Dell @delltechcloud #eweekchat

@larry_lunetta Yep good point. We are seeing the trend of moving the application logic as close to the end user as possible. For scale and performance reasons

Multi-cloud is about commoditizing public cloud, where hybrid is about owning your data & infrastructure for perf. security etc.

customized: don't think that's possible at scale.The fully-managed will have more cookie-cutter, repeat approach (customer benefit is they don't do the care-feeding) but customization level is low. Opposite for self-managed.

Chris Preimesberger

Nick, welcome. What do you do for Dell TEch?

@NickBrackney Yes, and the challenge is how to manage that seamless experience across all those physical environments.

Hi Chris I drive our cloud and edge message and do some thought leadership. But my passion in this space comes from what I hear from customers :) I always learn more participating in these types of tweet chats.

@SoftIronCEO my 2 cents is multi-cloud is just customers' reality. Either they planned for it (i.e. focus on best of breed, risk mitigation), or they ended up in it. Now they just need to find a way to make it work for them. Thats back to the consistency and seamless convo.

@NickBrackney Many have multiple cloud relationships today - apps everywhere. Very few have true multi-cloud portability between them.