[LIVE CHAT] Storage Backup

Dave Vellante30

@dfloyer did some killer research on flash-first - here were my big takeaways http://goo.gl/rjNwq6

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John Furrier

what do IT managers need to know about flash first and oracle?

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Dave Vellante 1/ "Hi speed disk" is an oxymoron - it's dead; 2/ flash will replace all hi spin speed disk; 3/ flash-first will scale better and prove cheaper than flash cache solutions

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Dave Vellante the other key takeaway john is this: if you optimize storage w/flash you can cut cpu cores - which will cut orcle DB lic & maint costs (Larry I'm sure doesn't advertise this fact!)

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Robert Klusman Yes.. Few of them truly understand how critical low latency these IOPs are to the DB..

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John Furrier hybrid flash systems may be best option where processing performance matters .. do you agree?

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Robert Klusman Carving out "parts" of a DB for Flash disk is risky & messy.. So the Hybrid approach of ZS3 makes perfect sense

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Kerstin Woods @Wikibon has a great summary of the benefits of flash-first with Oracle #ZS3 achieving Tier 1 Performance at Tier 3 Prices: http://wikibon.org/wiki/v/Oracle_ZS3_Storage_Appliances%3A_Tier-1_Performance_at_Tier-3_Prices

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Kerstin Woods Not all hybrids are created equal according to this #DCIG buying guide: https://go.oracle.com/LP=1427?elqCampaignId=3753

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Oracle Hardware

Has the high cost of a flash-first architecture come down to the point its viable for most organizations?

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John Furrier3

Virtualization & cloud are changing enterprise backup can you guys elaborate on this?

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Linda Burwell0

Have you heard about the latest findings from Wikibon? Meet @dvellante on March 12 in Houston or March 13 in Atlanta to discover the results. Click on "register for storage summit here" on top of the page for more details.

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Dave Vellante9

Some of the research I shared w/the oracle IT pros was the benefit of flash-first architectures vs. cache-first - at scale - flash first is WAY less expensive http://wikibon.org/w/images/0/06/UpdatedZFSFigure6a.png

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Oracle Hardware

Studies show that tiered storage backup environments (D2D2T) have lower TCO than all-disk. What’s your experience?

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Oracle Hardware http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/analystreports/industries/clipper-tco-storage-2013-1959019.pdf

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Dave Vellante wikibon practitioners are shifting backup to disk and re-positioning tape for archive & deep archive

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Robert Klusman

This is so critical for our Large DB customers.. The technology standards most of our customers have today - literally can't protect the large DBs they have..

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cmosoares

Complete Wikibon write up available here http://bit.ly/1icydbB

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John Furrier the Total Cost of Ownership angle is very relevant when planning and deploying storage imo

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John Furrier3

Question: How does oracle ensure that data is protected and how do you talk about making low latency data always available?

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Crowd Captain

This speaks to the ROI question many get asked

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Crowd Captain Yes ROI for IT decision makers is key and having backup be part of the overall architecture on the front end of planning is very important

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Kerstin Woods

Keeping data forever, as many customers do, does speak to ROI. Tape is a critical consideration to keeping costs down. http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/analystreports/industries/clipper-tco-storage-2013-1959019.pdf

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Michael Brown

Key low latency data in an Oracle Database is best made available using Oracle Database tools. Multiple local copies (typically 3) with ASM. Remote copies with Data Guard or Active Data Guard.

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Dave Vellante12

Hanging w/ Oracle IT pros in San Jose http://goo.gl/qpolzX

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Robert Klusman

Hey - I know that guy! (he might work for me ;-)

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John Furrier

what are customers asking about at the event?

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Dave Vellante spoke to ~30 people - 1/flash - not much use but growing; 2/ tape - only 1 practitioner doesn't use any tape; 3/ Archiving - why it's so expensive; 4/ cloud - pressure to replicate AWS-like experiences

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Dave Vellante we also talked about the best use cases for ZFS - which we feel is as a backup target - orcle/ZFS not there yet for oltp apps

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Michael Brown Archiving doesn't have to be expensive to be fast. Automated tiered storage solutions with Flash or Disk as the tier-1 and tape behind it gives you the best of both. http://www.oracle.com/us/solutions/oos/tiered-storage-infrastructure/overview/index.html

Oracle Optimized Solution for Tiered Storage Infrastructure
Oracle Optimized Solution for Tiered Storage Infrastructure

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cmosoares

Interesting on the tape results. It's definitely part of Oracle's backup/archiving solutions.

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cmosoares

See Wikibon write up on tape http://bit.ly/1clvzxS

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Oracle Hardware23

Are you making your backup windows? Reports out there suggest that a high percentage of backups fail. What’s your experience?

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Oracle Hardware

http://medianetwork.oracle.com/video/player/3050031627001

Oracle ZS3 Series Storage: Oracle Engineered Systems Backup
The Oracle ZFS Storage Appliance provides an integrated high-performance backup solution for Oracle engineered systems.

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Robert Klusman

I was with a customer yesterday who took 4 days to restore / recover a 2.4TB DB. That was super pain full for them

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Oracle Hardware Were they backing up from disk or tape? Why did the backup take so long?

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cmosoares

Being down for four days can certainly have an impact on your business

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Oracle Hardware What are the reasons for a long recovery period?

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Kerstin Woods

Growing data & shrinking backup windows require new solutions. Apollo Group was successful slashing backups from 24 hours to 1 hour: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid62612523001?bctid=2031772882001&playerType=

Apollo Group Streamlines with Integrated Oracle Solution
Apollo Group selected an integrated hardware and software solution from Oracle including Oracle Exadata running E-Business Suite and the Sun ZFS Storage Appliance for backup and recovery.

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Robert Klusman

The challenge turned out to be how LONG it takes them to backup.. They take so long to put the backups to disk -- then tape. Takes more than a 6hrs to backup.. So fulls are only done on weekends..

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Michael Brown No Mun Myung, IT Dept Mgr at KED said: “We achieved 10x database compression by applying Oracle Hybrid Columnar Compression technology on Oracle’s Sun ZFS Storage appliances, drastically reducing backup storage size to obtain a high degree of stability.”

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Michael Brown

Korea Enterprise Data reduced backup times from 2 hours to 17 minutes with Oracle ZFS Storage. See http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/customers/customersearch/korea-enterprise-5-sparc-cs-2028708.html

Customer and Partner Search Korea Enterprise Data Consolidates 20 Servers to One Platform, Improves System Response Time by 20x, and Lowers Total Cost...
Korea Enterprise Data consolidated 20 servers using Oracle SuperCluster engineered systems and improved OLTP response time for managing large volumes of sensitive credit data, and for responding to customer. The company also deployed Oracle’s Sun ZFS...

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Oracle Hardware4

To kick things off, as a (Oracle Database?) backup manager, what keeps you awake at night?

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John Furrier

I often hear people say how do I determine what is critical data and where do I put it

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Dave Vellante the answer is take an application view - that will help determine data value

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Dave Vellante

making sure my data is really backed up...not sure I trust my backup guy!

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Oracle Hardware That's a common nightmare. How do you ensure your data is REALLY backed up?

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John Furrier1

Welcome to the #storage backup with Oracle experts to discuss how to deliver on SLAs and reduce cost of storage. Post questions and discussion topics. Respond in threaded manner and vote on posts/tweets that you like

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Oracle Hardware1

Hi, everyone. Welcome to today's CrowdChat on Storage Backup.

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Oracle Hardware

We'll be chatting about various backup issues today. Please vote on and comment on the topics.

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