CLEUR

Powering A Multicloud World
Pre-event Community CrowdChat for Cisco Live Europe 2019
   6 years ago
#CLEURCisco Live EuropetheCUBE coverage of Cisco Live in Barcelona 2018
jameskobielus
We have about a minute to go on this CrowdChat. Please get in your last comments. You can and are encouraged to continue this conversation in sunny Barcelona.
jameskobielus
And please tune into theCUBE for live interviews with Cisco executives, developers, partners, and customers during Cisco Live. Tune in here: https://www.thecube.net/cisco-eu-2019
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theCUBE
theCUBE
siliconANGLE - Extracting the signal from the noise.
jameskobielus
Another key step in your enterprise multicloud journey is to attend Cisco Live, which is taking place from January 28 to February 1 in Barcelona, Spain. You can register here: https://ciscolive.cisco.com/emea/
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Cisco Live EMEA 2019 - Barcelona, Spain | Jan 28 - Feb 1, 2019 | Networking Event
Cisco Live EMEA 2019 - Barcelona, Spain | Jan 28 - Feb 1, 2019 | Networking Event
Barcelona, Spain | Jan 28 - Feb 1, 2019 | Networking Event
jameskobielus
We're nearing the end of today's #CLEUR CrowdChat. Thanks everybody for joining in. Great discussions!
Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
Interesting most of the Multi-cloud conversation has focused on cloud as an infrastructure building block. How does SaaS figure into the application development conversation? Real stuff is being built based on Salesforce for example.
Stuart Miniman
See link to @theCUBE at the top of the page - let @furrier @dvellante and me know of any questions that you'd like to to ask Cisco or the ecosystem at the show next week. #cloud #edge #5g #devnet #sdn #sdwan #k8s
jameskobielus
How can enterprise IT measure the cost of running cloud-native apps in the multicloud?
https://www.crowdchat.net/s/35rri
https://www.crowdchat.net/s/35rri

rquelle
Measuring the cost in cloud is actually pretty straightforward, as cloud providers are great at billing on consumption models. What's a heck of a lot harder is planning and optimizing!
David Floyer
The key measurement is the value of the application to the enterprise, rather than the resources it takes. The key measures are its usage, its contribution to business processes, and its contribution to business agility.
Neal Blaak
With data residing in multiple clouds and possible using multiple solutions/vendors, this will be a challenge for many companies running their apps both on-prem or in the cloud. #CLEUR #multicloud #challenges #costefficiency #onprem

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rquelle
Ironically, its measuring the cost of local assets (private datacenters) that is harder. We know what overall IT spend is, but less what is allocatable to serivice/product A vs. B.
Jennifer Shin
I learned the hard way that an important part of managing the cost of running cloud-native apps is making sure there's a notification system in place when costs starts to increase exponentially. Automation is great...until it starts costing you a lot of money!

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Bobby Allen
- We first need to agree on the factors that make up the cost. Each team does this differently today. (network, labor, software, monitoring, backup). Most only look at the cost of the resources not the other stuff on top of or around the cloud-native workloads.
Bobby Allen
@rquelle - I disagree a bit. Public cloud costs are documented but have too many options to get right without automation. Private cloud costs are still very subjective
. I see lots of bias in rate cards and service catalogs as folks try to defend their turf.

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rquelle
@dfloyer makes a good point. One of my favorite customer conversations was with a financial services company about their need for agility above all. The reason? Getting a new fraud detection/prevention capability out in response to bad actors was key.
jameskobielus
Now for our 9th and final question in today's CrowdChat.
David Floyer
SaaS applications are also an integral part. Salesforce and ServiceNOW are cloud platforms in their own right. Many enterprises are asking who owns the data, and wanting their own data on-premises to allow greater integration of these business processes.
jameskobielus
How can enterprises simplify the experience of building, programming, and managing multiclouds? https://www.crowdchat.net/s/65rr0
https://www.crowdchat.net/s/65rr0

Bobby Allen
- Don't commit to a venue or paradigm unless you have at least a draft "exit" strategy to get your data to another venue. We know that things will change. Even if you don't move to another venue, you may adopt a different service or deployment model.
rquelle
Avoid 'boiling the ocean'. It'll never happen. Tackle local, individual problems while keeping in mind the big picture.
Stuart Miniman
a major sin of IT in data centers was the heterogeneous mess, need to be careful we don't recreate silos in the clouds.
David Floyer
In my opinion, there are different multicloud for different purposes. If you want real-time improvement of systems of record, you are likely to need a tightly integrated hybrid cloud...
Max Mortillaro
operating multicloud seamlessly looks like an utopia today. As long as there will not be a standardization effort adressing certain processes and interfaces. Marginal cost efficiencies are offset by large amount of efforts to make things hold together.
rquelle
As @ballen_clt says, change is inevitable. If you try to build the perfect master plan, you'll find yourself implementing that plan in a world that has changed.
jameskobielus
Simplifying the programmability of multiclouds requires infrastructure-as-code tooling to stand up compute, storage, and other resources in automated fashion across clouds and clusters. It also requires AI-driven auto-development of images, containerized apps, serverless function
David Floyer
If you want to drive robotics and IoT at the Edge, you are likely to want a loosely connected cloud with ability to push the operational AI out to the Edge and process data in real-time, with an overall control plane.
Jennifer Shin
from a #technology standpoint, its easier to stick to use a minimal number of #cloud service providers when building a #multicloud.
rquelle
I don't need a "seamless" experience. Indeed, to steal a phrase from a Yelp blog from 2015, seams are *desireable*. That's where I can take something apart and put another part in.
Bobby Allen
- I had a CIO ask me last week to give him a 3 year plan for cloud strategy. My advice was to only do that if he's willing to revisit it every 6 months. Some enterprises are working on stuff now they decided years ago.
rquelle
Its the way we've always built our networks; its the way we are building applications today.
jameskobielus
Question #8 is practically here. Hold your breaths.