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Tiering to Public Cloud
How to think about and manage tiering from the private data center to public cloud.
   7 years ago
#localdataManaging Billions of FilesWhat kinds of data management & backup challenges creep up when your NAS gets to billions of files?
   7 years ago
#LocalDataScale-out ArchitecturesCurrent state of scale-out technologies and where we can go from here.
John Furrier
Q11: Are there financial or risk mitigation motivations for going “all in” to the cloud? Are you seeing now an increased interest in multi-cloud strategies?
John Furrier
What is #multicloud mean anyway? Can anyone define it?
Andrew Miller
#multicloud = ability to get unpredictable bills from more than one place! ;)
Mark Thiele he/him
Multi-cloud in my opinion is the ability to deploy work as appropriate to the cloud of your choice. #localdata
jeff dinisco
smaller capital outlays make CFO's feel better
Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
Companies are starting to ask the business continuity question. Business leaders view what AWS offers as HA. BC/DR is the ability to spread risk across providers.
John Furrier
Latency is huge issue imo
Andrew Miller
seriously though, to the degree I see #multicloud it's an app by app decision between AWS, Azure, and Google based on the characteristics of the app. Brings real operational overhead right now though...
Mark Thiele he/him
Latency will continue to be a major driver to choices for workload location and provider.
Chris Dagdigian
yes to "risk mitigation". Honest IT shops realize today that Google/MS/AWS can deliver far more reliability/uptime than on-premise. Years of excacale engineering on hostile networks pay real dividends
John Furrier
@mthiele10 do you mean some workloads on one cloud other workloads on others? silo'd?
Stuart Miniman
IT is always additive, we are seeing companies choosing different clouds (including on-premises) for different functionality/SLA/cost - result is multi-cloud.
Mark Thiele he/him
I don't see it as silo'd. I see it as distributed risk combined with the ability to leverage best of any given cloud for work purpose.
I am John White
Multi-cloud is a must. It is like saying you are only going to buy your groceries from Costco. Sucks to drive 10 miles just to get a gallon of milk.
Andrew Miller
back to the "all eggs in one basket" concern. It might not just be #multicloud but at least multi-region since both #multicloud and multi-region require serious work by the customer.
Chris Harney
I see it more of a multi SaaS
Mark Thiele he/him
In my opinion multi-cloud "complexity" depends on deployment and management tools/strategy.
Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
@johna_white Worse is that your people are only trained how to buy milk from Costco. If there's a shift in the business relationship it could be difficult to impossible to shift to a different provider.
Andrew Miller
multi-cloud still hard given difference in API's/services - if using the services/API's to get real development acceleration, there's now sunk cost from a development perspective
Mark Thiele he/him
@andriven I love that term "all eggs in one basket" wrote a blog with that in the title for cloud about 5 years ago. :)
John Furrier
@CTOAdvisor That's why supermarkets are always moving the milk and eggs around so you get lost to buy more other stuff :-)
Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
@andriven Plug for Rubrik. It doesn't seem hard for that type of application. At scale for all other data center apps yes. But for your specific use case, not so much a technical hurdle.
John Furrier
@mthiele10 share that link that would be great Mark
I am John White
Supermarkets = Regional MSP/CSP
John Furrier
@johna_white whole foods :-) couldn't resist
Stuart Miniman
@johna_white I think that Amazon heard a grocery store analogy for cloud, and that led to the Whole Foods acquisition 😳
Mark Thiele he/him
Here's the link to my "All eggs in one basket" blog ; https://gigaom.com/2...
I am John White
I wonder if they will have snow mobile parking?
Andrew Miller
@CTOAdvisor Thanks. :) I try to keep it at a architecture/conceptual level in these conversations to be a good citizen....but appreciate it and agree.
Stephen Pao
@csharney Agree that there's lots of O365 and salesforce.com SaaS usage, forcing some multi-PaaS, too!
John Furrier
Kubernetes = DoorDash
Andrew Miller
@stu I think of it as building the stack higher and higher and eventually some of the lower layers collapse together due to the increasing operational weight of the upper layers and lack of differentiation that we care about on the lower layers.
Mark Thiele he/him
We see a variety of multi-cloud use case models in our customers - Specific capability I.e., Analytics on GCP and distributed for performance, risk, price
Andrew Miller
@andriven What's a bit sad is when you have a great product in the lower layers of the stack that is differentiated but no one cares about differentiation in that category anymore.
Andrew Miller
@mthiele10 Will have to look up that blog post :)
Mark Thiele he/him
@andriven It's old now, but the theory of why is still true. Thanks.
JP Morgenthal
I just started writing a blog on multi-cloud this morning. There are risks due to businesses not having proper op model for 1 cloud let alone 2 or more
Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
@mthiele10 with the network and interconnect becoming a critical part to select best of breed in designing an end to end business solution. The network is multi-cloud glue!
Chris Harney
@andriven Agreed that API's are key
John Furrier
Are you seeing networks today holding back the data going to #PublicCloud ? Yes/No

Are you seeing networks today holding back the data going to #PublicCloud ? Yes/No

John Furrier
Q6: Describe technical implementation of hybrid clouds you are seeing. What components are involved? Has this changed in the last 6 months?
Andrew Miller
several main areas - 1) some level of automation/orchestration, 2) focus on common data movement/management tools between on/off-premises, 3) tools for visibility into all environments
jeff dinisco
some appliances make it ez, @rubrikinc and @dellEMCIsilon have great stories here
Andrew Miller
for #2 there are notable developments in the last 6 months even...while data has weight, there are more options around handling it between public/private clouds
Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
Look toward the shift in OpenStack. There's no single pane of glass for Hybrid Cloud. It's understanding the unique challenges between the two environments. The focus needs to be on monitoring and ops technologies that integrate vs orchestration.
John Furrier
Followup Question on this topic: does #multicloud impact any of this or is that fantasy at this point
Chris Dagdigian
identity mgmt needs to be solved first. After that comes orchestration, automation and workflow routing/shaping logic
jeff dinisco
for compute, AWS Management Portal for vCenter and @ZeroStackInc have decent stories
Stephen Pao
@chris_dag Agree on identity management for user facing apps. It's why I think early hybrid cloud is IT-facing / back office.
John Furrier
I would be interested in the impact to backup/recovery bc in cloud there aren't the 4-walls of onprem
Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
Your favorite topic! 😀 I think today they are silos. But they play a factor in containerizing operations so that you can manage your IT regardless of platform.
Andrew Miller
@dinisco Ironically this kind of thing is the whole focus of Rubrik
Andrew Miller
@CTOAdvisor +100 - often integration of multiple point solutions vs. the hoped for "single pane of glass" that never really seems to work out
Stephen Pao
#multicloud seems to be driven by different workloads. Azure good with identity; Google for AI/media; AWS overall.
Andrew Miller
are seeing the very beginnings of #multicloud with some of our customers...enabled by data sync/management that can handle multiple clouds. If don't have that, the operational overhead is too high.
Keith Townsend - Light will overcome darkness
@andriven I think there's little hope for a single API let alone a single operations platform. HPE showed a vision with NewStack but it's a vision.
Stephen Pao
@dinisco Also, @IgneousIO focus on hybrid storage cloud! 😀
I am John White
If you don't have a common data, network, and control plane you have note achieved true hybrid cloud. You simply have individual pools of resources.
Stephen Pao
@johna_white Agree. However, you can scope the commonality for an app or a group of apps at a time.
Andrew Miller
@CTOAdvisor Hopefully we get the point of multiple robust API's...so API's are a unifying approach but not a single API per se. At that point external engines can drive everything at least...
JP Morgenthal
The recommendation for multi-cloud is coming from the need to leverage specialized clouds with generic cloud providers, e.g. AWS or Azure front-end for GE Predix