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Tiering to Public Cloud
How to think about and manage tiering from the private data center to public cloud.
   7 years ago
#localdataManaging Billions of FilesWhat kinds of data management & backup challenges creep up when your NAS gets to billions of files?
   7 years ago
#LocalDataScale-out ArchitecturesCurrent state of scale-out technologies and where we can go from here.
John Furrier
great flow and quality on Q2 getting ready for Q3 remember to vote fav comments
Chris Harney
It depends on the industry. Smaller businesses are leveraging DR in the cloud
Chris Harney
@CTOAdvisor The HCI manufactures are making it easy to do DR / Backup to the cloud
Andrew Miller
@csharney I might agree with that comment. ;)
Chris Harney
I wouldn't call it server backups but companies are putting tertiary copy's of backups to the cloud so maybe archival is a better answer
Chris Harney
I don't think people really know why. They are still trying to figure it out.
John Furrier
Q2: Has hybrid cloud change been driven in central IT, in lines of business, or in the executive suite?
jeff dinisco
execs in the enterprises
jeff dinisco
admins in green field or startup environments
Chris Dagdigian
in my world the drivers have been business app/service owners in IT orgs or high-level power users / scientists from the R&D side of the fence.
Andrew Miller
It's really customer by customer. Execs don't care about hybrid cloud per se but want increased flexibility/lower cost and from their peers are starting to see the challenges in public cloud for certain apps.
Andrew Miller
So if hybrid cloud gets them there, they're all for it - call it a dose of realism.
Andrew Miller
Lines of business are often more SaaS focused as they don't know the underlying mechanics...but if/when SaaS doesn't work/isn't secure/doesn't integrate will be open to an option that actually works.
Stephen Pao
@dinisco I've seen execs drive "cloud first" and get brought to hybrid cloud by their line of business or IT teams.
John Furrier
Stu @wikibon just talked about this the other day with #Cloud Service provider chat https://www.crowdcha...
John Furrier
Here is the thread on who will be the buyer of #cloud services https://www.crowdcha...
Andrew Miller
In general seeing hybrid cloud move through the hype cycle where it's not a perceived panacea but a legitimate option that helps customers move in the "right direction" / move the dial.
John Furrier
Keith Townsend @ctoadvisor said "Business. I don't readily see the value IT offers in the purchasing relationship today. That may change over the next couple of years. Today, I find it hard to define enough value for it to change."
Andrew Miller
I will say the smarter IT folks I see are using hybrid cloud to get ahead of the general trends and reduce the amount of reactionary work.
Stephen Pao
@andriven Agree on line of business often being driven to SaaS in certain green field environments, but I see many wanting the agility to augment cloud with what they already have. Particularly in analytics.
Andrew Miller
And at times hybrid cloud can be driven by the Line of Business when the AWS bills skyrocket. ;)
Stuart Miniman
It is often still a fragmented application-based decision as to what bucket to use - SaaS/on-premises/public cloud. "hybrid" comes back as the state of what they are using today.
John Furrier
Josha Stella @joshstella said "lots of bottom up will continue, but in that more strategic context, which means there is risk of losing some of the benefit of cloud in speed to delivery."
Chris Dagdigian
@steve_pao agreed. Hybrid cloud is a capability play driven by high-level execs and lower-level engineers; especially in research and science spaces.
John Furrier
Funny but serious comment was that maybe "bots" will be determining the buying aka automation but that speaks to setting up architecture first
jeff dinisco
lines of biz used to create shadow IT, never worked that well, AWS now legitimizes this approach
Andrew Miller
I actually love the concept of AI driven markets determine in real time best place to run/move applications...like the Chicago commodity exchange but more.
John Furrier
I was riffing the other day about infrastructure being like "stock market" with valuation metrics. If that happens the infrastructure will be tied to revenue and value. thought exercise
Andrew Miller
@steve_pao Often just gets back to "sunk cost" or the true cost of cloud when run it all the time.
John Furrier
looking good for Q1 lets move on to Q2; make sure to vote your fav posts
Chris Harney
Cloud today feels like VDI in 2006 there are lots of reasons to do it but not everyone is all in
Andrew Miller
@csharney Is it the "Year of Cloud"? Or was that last year? Or next year? Or all the years? ;)
John Furrier
Year of the Cloud again
Chris Harney
It depends o the industry, biogen definitely is moving storage to the cloud
John Furrier
Q1: In the last 6 months, have you seen hybrid cloud strategies accelerating or decelerating?
Chris Dagdigian
accelerating for sure but at varying rates and directions
Stuart Miniman
absolutely accelerating - hybrid and multi #cloud is top of mind. Most companies are building the strategy - like any good strategy, it needs to be a bit flexible at this point in industry maturity.
Andrew Miller
Absolutely accelerating - literally heard yesterday that "Cloud Only isn't viable but Cloud First is very important".
jeff dinisco
clearly accelerating, driven to some extent by integration with on prem appliances/systems
John Furrier
Hybrid is more of a reality then ever as the #multicloud value is being touted
John Furrier
I think multicloud is a future but not in sight yet in terms of workloads moving across clouds so hybrid is stepping stone to this vision
Andrew Miller
Hybrid cloud (when done right) is moving out of "Pollyanna" mode into actually delivering the previously impossible combo of more flexibility at lower cost.
Stephen Pao
On our side, we're definitely seeing interest from different directions. Both from those that were all on-premises and from that those that think of themselves as "cloud first."
John Furrier
On Premise cloud or True Private Cloud is the action we are seeing at @theCUBE events as a conversation among architects
Andrew Miller
I will say we're starting to see the beginnings of multi cloud for some customers...more than none but still just the beginnings.
Stuart Miniman
moving workloads is a separate issue. my current definition is that hybrid means both on-premises (or hosted) and public cloud. Multi-cloud means multiples of the options incl AWS/Azure/GCP
Stephen Pao
A key element to this remains data created at the "edge" forcing some on-premises footprint, yet desiring cloud native applications.
Andrew Miller
there's also increased realism among enterprises execs about how possible refactoring applications is and in what timeframes (let's talk Cobol for instance)
Chris Dagdigian
hype curve still disgusting. We also see orgs getting destroyed by C-level execs who shout "cloud first!" without being able to do math or due diligence upfront
John Furrier
gr8 point @steve_pao #iot edge will be driving more data thus more clou
jeff dinisco
we're seeing the cloud and on-prem division split by app more often than apps that are able to burst into cloud which is where most want to be
Andrew Miller
@dinisco Yes - becomes an app by app selection and/or analysis. Tedious but the only way to practically do it given the practical reality of "lift and shift" success rates.
Stephen Pao
@chris_dag Agree with the "cloud first" push from C-level execs often skipping the analysis of data origins or usage patterns.
John Furrier
Lynn Langit‏ @lynnlangit said
Decelerating - rather I've seen momentum toward cloud vendors in addition to AWS, particularly Azure