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Empower your developers and business leaders. They know your systems and needs better than anyone. Introduce them to tools like #Bluemix that enable them to experiment

We need to evaluate current need against expected need to avoid painting ourselves into a corner. Reviewing clouds isn't helpful as much as reviewing the framework/platform approach for using those clouds.

automation. hybrid w/o automation is basically building silos in parallel

brazilian companies need templates and examples they can learn from.

Talk to others in your industry, check out your local Meetups, download the open source code and play! Be ready for cultural change too.

also, understanding that "open" means a lot of things. AWS has open APIs but not open code. Still works 4 hybrid

I'd say start with an application or service that will deliver business value then as @storming says tune into the community zeitgeist

@jrmcgee +1 experimentation is key ... and an appreciation of just how powerful the tools are that are now available

@duncanjw totally agree! Always good to start with something real instead of a theoretical analysis.

Hybrid cloud is still viewed as a science experiment, we need to provide more evidence that real ownership of a multi-cloud environment can be used with trust and compliance.

start by participating in relevant open source communities (as @storming mentioned) and engage in open source foundations that are serving as the bedrock for hybrid cloud technologies

@storming that's something most enterprises don't anticipate

@duncanjw @storming also tune into your devs; they're likely already using it on the side

Growth in communities such as openstack went from what analysts called a science project 2 years ago to a thriving diverse community of 7000 + conference attendees.

There is no guarantee that what we're seeing will be the future. What's more important is that we continue towards the notion of providing customers w/choice that can drive value.

Define 'next generation of cloud' -- it's very subjective

The vast majority of tools and tooling powering the cloud today are Open Source.

crowd development is surpassing proprietary models in new features, releases, etc. It's the power of many. And it's exponential, impossible to curb.

There are still real risks as to the future of some of our more well known Opensource solutions. Keep in mind that the IT world has always been based on the rubber band effect.

@mthiele10 but technology is advancing exponentially and it seems more and more based on "tons of people" working together.

as technologies evolve, open source solutions evolve so that people can collaborate and then invest their efforts in their unique products/value add.

"open" is the key here, it's becoming clear that multicloud is here to stay; the tools higher in the stack are becoming key. Open technology will drive that.

if you ignore AWS/ Azure or if you ignore public cloud, yes. While open tech is continuing cloud innovations, one cannot ignore the innovations major players are making behind walls. They might use some open source tech internally

#openstack is a prime example - it hasn't always been plain sailing but it is definitely maturing as a platform alongside the new kids on the block

@sriramhere I think public cloud will evolve a lot but they can't do everything for everybody.

@duncanjw a good indicator is that maturity and adoption haven't slowed as these new kids have thrown down, exactly.

Agree that it looks good for opensource & I'm certainly a supporter. But we're still in the 2nd inning of the cloud game. There will be risks & failures that keep the need for proprietary & open.

put another way, were it not because open tech, I would posit cloud adoption would be nowhere where it is today.

@dhdeans it is subjective... but one of the key aspects of next generation to me is the evolution of cloud from IaaS into a full spectrum platform providing all the tools developers need in a single experience

@mthiele10 A good mix of open and proprietary then ?

it comes back how open influences to new "cloud native" architectures - that's the big trend over cloud vendor

agreed, and no single solution can do for everybody. What I am trying to say is, while open tech innovations will continue, so will the proprietary innovations.

It's interesting how we classify open source in the sense that the more successful ones are "sold" by a provider with proprietary roots.

because even in proprietary contexts like AWS/Azure developers and enterprises use open source tools to manage and orchestrate their infrastructure.

@sriramhere +1

#CloudFoundry has 60+ companies working together on an open source, multi-cloud solution.

@jrmcgee understood, regarding tools as a foundation for next-gen cloud -- but what about better management automation for provisioning, etc? Seems like there's lots of new upside by exploring the full potential of rules-based policies.

We sometimes solve the same problem in many different ways. If we could agree to solve orchestration as an example in one way we could move on as an industry to the next issue.

There is an open cloud architecture being established in the industry - containers is a foundational element. Lots more to do - open governance and user participation will drive the evolution.

@jrmcgee We need to solve in many ways to innovate, but customers need portability and interoperability to move quickly and solve big problems.

Right now deploying containers in any real way is a snowflake activity. For true portability across cloud you need more than to move a workload. Security, Trust, Audit, all key to appropriate governance.

IMO it's already happening with the advent of @cloudnativefdn?

The next phase of open cloud bring each of the foundational elements closer and closer - openstack, cloud foundry. OCI, CNCF, OpenWhisk, ...

It depends on the user. A startup will required speed and almost no process, while the enterprise will require process, governance and reports, tons of reports rs

+1 I invite everyone interested in the portability of containers and open governance to get involved with @OCI_ORG https://www.opencont...

@mthiele10 clearly containers alone is not enough.. need the full lifecycle of tools around containers to make it real

Many of the existing container strategies revolve around wrapping them in a legacy framework. Risk is that you reduce key benefits & increase overhead.

that's a grand challenge

there is lot more steps to come before open govenance (from current state of containers)

@mthiele10 I think the world is evolving from solutions around hardware to VMs to Containers ... now on to PaaS solutions like #CloudFoundry

I'm seeing here the very fast evolution of Apache Mesos and Docker.

@jrmcgee Absolutely! It's also about time to value. We shouldn't force one thing or the other on the community, but rather provide tools that give them real time to value w/flexibility.

@storming @mthiele10 +1

@cra Great shoutout to the new @OCI_ORG handle, now following!