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Growth in communities such as openstack went from what analysts called a science project 2 years ago to a thriving diverse community of 7000 + conference attendees.

There is no guarantee that what we're seeing will be the future. What's more important is that we continue towards the notion of providing customers w/choice that can drive value.

Define 'next generation of cloud' -- it's very subjective

The vast majority of tools and tooling powering the cloud today are Open Source.

crowd development is surpassing proprietary models in new features, releases, etc. It's the power of many. And it's exponential, impossible to curb.

There are still real risks as to the future of some of our more well known Opensource solutions. Keep in mind that the IT world has always been based on the rubber band effect.

@mthiele10 but technology is advancing exponentially and it seems more and more based on "tons of people" working together.

as technologies evolve, open source solutions evolve so that people can collaborate and then invest their efforts in their unique products/value add.

"open" is the key here, it's becoming clear that multicloud is here to stay; the tools higher in the stack are becoming key. Open technology will drive that.

if you ignore AWS/ Azure or if you ignore public cloud, yes. While open tech is continuing cloud innovations, one cannot ignore the innovations major players are making behind walls. They might use some open source tech internally

#openstack is a prime example - it hasn't always been plain sailing but it is definitely maturing as a platform alongside the new kids on the block

@sriramhere I think public cloud will evolve a lot but they can't do everything for everybody.

@duncanjw a good indicator is that maturity and adoption haven't slowed as these new kids have thrown down, exactly.

Agree that it looks good for opensource & I'm certainly a supporter. But we're still in the 2nd inning of the cloud game. There will be risks & failures that keep the need for proprietary & open.

put another way, were it not because open tech, I would posit cloud adoption would be nowhere where it is today.

@dhdeans it is subjective... but one of the key aspects of next generation to me is the evolution of cloud from IaaS into a full spectrum platform providing all the tools developers need in a single experience

@mthiele10 A good mix of open and proprietary then ?

it comes back how open influences to new "cloud native" architectures - that's the big trend over cloud vendor

agreed, and no single solution can do for everybody. What I am trying to say is, while open tech innovations will continue, so will the proprietary innovations.

It's interesting how we classify open source in the sense that the more successful ones are "sold" by a provider with proprietary roots.

because even in proprietary contexts like AWS/Azure developers and enterprises use open source tools to manage and orchestrate their infrastructure.

@sriramhere +1

#CloudFoundry has 60+ companies working together on an open source, multi-cloud solution.

@jrmcgee understood, regarding tools as a foundation for next-gen cloud -- but what about better management automation for provisioning, etc? Seems like there's lots of new upside by exploring the full potential of rules-based policies.

We sometimes solve the same problem in many different ways. If we could agree to solve orchestration as an example in one way we could move on as an industry to the next issue.

There is an open cloud architecture being established in the industry - containers is a foundational element. Lots more to do - open governance and user participation will drive the evolution.

@jrmcgee We need to solve in many ways to innovate, but customers need portability and interoperability to move quickly and solve big problems.

Right now deploying containers in any real way is a snowflake activity. For true portability across cloud you need more than to move a workload. Security, Trust, Audit, all key to appropriate governance.

IMO it's already happening with the advent of @cloudnativefdn?

The next phase of open cloud bring each of the foundational elements closer and closer - openstack, cloud foundry. OCI, CNCF, OpenWhisk, ...

It depends on the user. A startup will required speed and almost no process, while the enterprise will require process, governance and reports, tons of reports rs

+1 I invite everyone interested in the portability of containers and open governance to get involved with @OCI_ORG https://www.opencont...

@mthiele10 clearly containers alone is not enough.. need the full lifecycle of tools around containers to make it real

Many of the existing container strategies revolve around wrapping them in a legacy framework. Risk is that you reduce key benefits & increase overhead.

that's a grand challenge

there is lot more steps to come before open govenance (from current state of containers)

@mthiele10 I think the world is evolving from solutions around hardware to VMs to Containers ... now on to PaaS solutions like #CloudFoundry

I'm seeing here the very fast evolution of Apache Mesos and Docker.

@jrmcgee Absolutely! It's also about time to value. We shouldn't force one thing or the other on the community, but rather provide tools that give them real time to value w/flexibility.

@storming @mthiele10 +1

@cra Great shoutout to the new @OCI_ORG handle, now following!

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The beauty of open tech is that customers influence open tech more than the other way around. Technology emerges from real business need.

Folks do not want to build a dead end cloud - open technology is path to business process flexibility. Who likes cement poured on their applications?

Customers are influencing the #opentech that manages hybrid cloud, not the other way around. Many industries are involved in the #CloudFoundry project.

hybrid creates exit paths from proprietary to open. So desire for @opentech creates demand

Open communities like CNCF help customers evaluate against peers & industry leaders in a safe environment. POCs and use cases drive adoption.

@jrmcgee +1 - ecosystems rule - end users are driving this new open source renaissance. The best open communities have strong user participation and open governance.

I see what I call as snowballing effect of success stories from open source adopters as the biggest influences

@ibmcloud @storming +1 Hybrid is responding to customers that can't/won't migrate entirely to public cloud due 1000s reasons.

All the industry analyst studies about hybrid cloud seem to indicate that hiring skilled and qualified talent is still a big issue -- opentech communities are where the talent can be found

#EcosystemsRule @angelluisdiaz << THISSSS!!!

early adopters try a new tech => find success/ share failures => more try => more successes => community encourages and cheers => momentum builds => influences more customers to adopt => continues

I don't think hybrid is private/public only. it's any-any type of thing. it's about allowing portability

At #CloudFoundry summit we heard from Allstate, Comcast, Verizon, ... all users helping shape the technology they need.

@AngelLuisDiaz I think the concept of governance itself is evolving with the #opentech communities

@IBMCloud this is one of the strengths of the @cloudfoundry community and the work @ab415 is leading

@zehicle Agreed, hybrid is also using different infrastructures like AWS and OpenStack.

@zehicle we can debate on the definition of hbrid all day long :) but more and more multi-cloud is being referred to as hybrid. Which extended, multiple environments/ multiple techs. I may not fully agree

@storming ^this. Users are what makes a product and drive innovation.