openstack

one needs a large bench to adopt OpenStack

I think there is still some misunderstanding about project vs. product. Users expect the project to be a polished product.

@kenhuiny that's not an unreasonable thing for users to expect

That OpenStack as it exists on openstack.org is a product.

that depends on consumption model, consuming directly from the Open Source fire hose comes with its own challenges. Some operators are able to manage this and contribute back, and we should applaud that, but it's not for everyone.

one is that containers are somehow competitive with OpenStack, when in fact they are just another useful tool that can and will be adopted up and down the stack. Kolla for example is a project to put OpenStack services into containers.

I was sort of surprised that in 2016, I was still seeing major vendors having to do OpenStack 101 presentations to the market.

I think it's right to expect the core/kernel to be polished and stable. But productizing it is often a bigger task.

@sparkycollier I think we create some of this ourselves by talking about OpenStack support for Containers, VMs, and baremetal. Containers really run on one of the latter two "machines".

I think that from within the cloud world we have known what cloud (and openstack) are for years, but when you get outside that bubble your realize a HUGE amount of IT isnt on any kind of cloud. So the 101 talks are still necessary.

@sparkycollier Mark, to put it more bluntly; the idea that COE+ Containers on baremetal obviates the need for OpenStack/ IaaS layer.

I think it's a general lack of knowledge around the different projects. OpenStack as an umbrella project isn't too well understood.

@sparkycollier agreed about containers. The PaaS companies are fighting the same misperception. Containers are a thing. Operating them is a much more complicated thing. Many options available.

We see requests for 101 presentations often, and we're working on one with an MVP by early June.

@heiditretheway this one is nicely done - https://www.blueboxc...

Another shameless plug. @radez form Red Hat and I are doing an OpenStack 101 workshop at the Summit. :)

And a number of vendors are offering free OpenStack training in Austin as well.

key NFV drivers include agility/flexibility align well with high level OpenStack design and focus of providing public APIs with many swappable backend options.

I think many of the reasons they want this type of infrastructure matches reasons across all verticals. operational efficiency, common platform and APIs, ...

Challenges along the way in terms of dealing with the additional abstraction versus the level of access used traditionally while trying to extract same performance, SLAs, etc.

@xsgordon indeed, interesting to explore the things holding them back and what makes their use case different

We need to give credit to better success rate among early OpenStack adopters from Telco space.

@sriramhere need to acknowledge it is a big transformation for their industry, not keep asking if we are there yet :)

@xsgordon agreed. and timing has played well there. Right when they are looking to refresh, OpenStack use cases gave confidence

telecom is a trillion dollar industry that is facing a dramatically more competitive market. The need to move away from fixed function hardware to software on x86 is pressing. In fact, it can't come fast enough to get to 5G and support IoT.

I think that depends on what the growth curve will be. It it doubles every year, we may be in good shape.

I'm biased so I'm going to say yes and that was a 2015 figure so this year is going to be even bigger! /me ducks

@xsgordon I'm sure @bluebox @hpe_cloud @metacloudinc agree on the opportunity

It's a shameless plug but @Rackspace is expecting a big year as well. :)

@kenhuiny wait, I thought @rackspace was doing the AWS and Azure things now...

The total IT market in 2015 was $3.5 Trillion. As software eats the world cloud is essentially a prerequisite, so clearly this massive shift is just getting started.

@xsgordon Red Hat often says it does $1 for every $10 in commercial software. Do you think the $1.25B is 1/10th of what is used for OpenStack?

@bgracely I don't think the data we have in this area is as rich as I would like to be honest, too much focus on headline grabbing figures like this one rather than where the figure came from.

hey if we all agree we like pie, let's make the pie bigger...

As usual we will hear from users, users, and more users including AT&T, SAP, VW, Liveperson, Time Warner Cable, Visa, State Grid (7th largest company in the world!), Walmart, GoDaddy, OVH, Datacentred (UK public cloud), NTT, BT, Wellsfargo...

I am hoping they'll talk more about the specific use cases so users evaluating OpenStack can see how OpenStack is being used.

what I expect users will want to hear is where we are going with containers, NFV, SDN, and Bare Metal (as reflected in user survey) and UX improvements. The PTL of OpenStack Client @dtroyer will be presenting on that. IoT is an emerging topic

Sounds like the "OpenStack as integration engine for the data center" will be front and center again.

At a high level I expect @jbryce to talk about culture changes sweeping every company as they embrace cloud. Part of that involves training and we have a whole "OpenStack Academy" section with intensive training and hands on workshops

NFV workloads, especially with the recent Verizon announcements at ONS.

The Enterprise WG has a booklet "The Path to Cloud" on how to implement, available in the "evaluating OpenStack" track.

I think we will see a more discussion around user experience, cross project initiatives, and how people utilize OpenStack (for hosting applications, workloads, etc.)

they are two are separate concepts. The technical community has embraced an inclusive governance structure (big tent), while the foundation does work to define "core" for trademark program purposes

We need @eglute @zehicle @sdague @e_monty on this crowdchat to help translate.

The big tent is about being more inclusive of "who is OpenStack" in terms of development process, but less useful than previous designations in terms of navigating. Hence the introduction of tags and the project navigator.

@russellbryant Where are we with the tags? They were supposed to help sort out the projects in the big tent.

a relevant post from last week, "DefCore: What OpenStack Devs Need to Know" -- http://markvoelker.g...

@kenhuiny tags are exposed via the project navigator, a couple of new ones were added to governance in this cycle...

@xsgordon @kenhuiny tags have been progressing, perhaps slowly. Full list of currently defined tags: http://governance.op...

useful data in the project navigator (will be updated soon for Mitaka) https://www.openstac...

@kenhuiny some examples - "assert:supports-upgrade, assert:supports-rolling-upgrade, stable:follows-policy" - check out http://governance.op...

@xsgordon the upgrade tags were a nice addition. they still lack some nuance (upgrades with which configurations or backends?)

Will the tags help users to determine what projects are mature enough for production?

DefCore latest guideline: https://github.com/o... Companies must certify using 2 latest guidelines.

@russellbryant another nice resource to mention is the work @thingee has done to improve the new contributor experience https://twitter.com/...

DefCore 101 Tokyo presentation and slides: https://www.youtube.... http://www.slideshar...

The navigator rolls a number of tags and survey metrics into a maturity "score" - still not really granular enough for operators to navigate IMO

DefCore sets base requirements by defining 1) capabilities, 2) code and 3) must-pass tests for all OpenStack products

my roundup from Vancouver, where we discussed this topic a lot: http://wikibon.com/o...

User Survey showed deployments use 11 projects on average; well beyond the 6 core.

big tent is no longer a topic of discussion and has been fostering the inclusion of additional OpenStack services over the past year. The discussions in DefCore are about ensuring interop between providers of highly-adopted OpenStack services