SDNchat

it's not a war, it's a revolution.

@kordless good one

It does seem to be increasingly software driven. Which means if you are a hardware vendor you've got some thinking to do

Yeah, dunno what happens to the mid-market guys who don't make it. Would anyone bigger want to buy them?

It looks something like this http://finance.yahoo...

moreover, i'd add that the decentralization coming to the industry is unsettling to traditional models. clouds run by everyone everywhere == loss of control to a few

@kordless yes but isn't this an ancient IT debate? Centralization vs. distributed. PCs. vs. mainframes

it is certainly a cyclic phenomenon. however, until now, it wasn't possible to have a globally federated cloud. cryptocurrencies give us that possibility today, which changes everything.

obviously I'm biased. :)

#globallyfederatedcloud I like that

When will #government and #democracy be like this?

@kordless Related effect in the opposite direction: What if Amazon, Azure, etc. become the major lifeblood of the equipment vendors? Lots of power in the hands of just a few.

as soon as someone writes an open source app for X thing the government does (and much better, I'd add) and then does a decentralized raise on it.

@DiegoWoitasen #SDN and #opensource technology war or revolution?

@craigmatsumoto amazon has always prioritized shareholder value. if a deal with a vendor doesn't also, they'll do it themselves. Aren't they making their own servers now?

Yes, which makes me wonder, why don't more people do that?

capital and opportunity cost.

I like the idea of distributed government apps like registrations and #DMV

@kordless Exactly. World moving to the cloud might = bad news for equipment vendors. Lots of buying power in the hands of a few very demanding customers.

there's suppose to be a decentralized lyft/uber offering coming out as well on a coin/token raise. peer to peer rides + trust, because rides are peer to peer and need trust.

@craigmatsumoto think USB cigarette lighter adapters. name the brand that owns that market.

@kordless what uber has done to a aging taxi model could be done in many markets

@kordless yes #USB market is very Radio Shack generic

we are in an era of multiple clouds with mobile and apps driving the agenda

I replied on Twitter, but don't see it here. @stackape is my deal - AirBnB for excess compute. Anonymous instances anywhere.

any tech as long as it's open source. closed source code has no business providing infrastructure now.

#SDNchat going on now - easier to follow on CrowdChat: www.via-cc.at/fjdk

We have #openstackSV chat at 10:30am today

I'm going to write much more on this, many of the OpenStack players position getting rid of VMW licenses as the initial cost savings. VIO (VMware Integrated OpenStack) is a defensive move IMO that plays to keep the base from abandoning them.

Yes john I see that chat I'll attend

@stu interesting, so it seems this may be a threat to the @vmware licensing model

I think anyone with a lever is going to, at least in part, use that lever to advance their own agenda.

thanks @kordless, good summary

EVO was really interesting. VMware getting into networking without really getting into networking.

It's almost passive-aggressive. Damn it, why didn't I think of that when I was writing headlines last week? :)

@craigmatsumoto hmmm, EVO:RAIL is just compute/storage (no networking) and even RACK just adds NSX. VMware won't get into hw, but that's ok, right? They are leaders of the software revolution in networking.

Docker was very interesting too. Esoteric but cool, especially if containers can replace VMs eventually

@stu Yeah, I guess it's a leap of logic. VMW won't sell hardware but they'll come really really close

Yes, prior to 2014 I thought #docker just meant bad fashion

Ex-VMware-er Howie Xu has an interesting take on containers vs. VMs: http://vnetworking.b...

funny, I was reading that this AM. It may end up like a Microsoft vs. Java discussion, technologies can coexist

Probably, but what fun is that? :)

VMware's embrace of Docker might be another defensive move, although less so than OpenStack - they seem sincere about advancing the container cause

Interesting sessions at VMworld, too - they're just starting out with some Docker things & want input on where to take them

@craigmatsumoto it's very early with Docker, but hugely interesting and important. Kudos for VMware embracing - everyone is sorting out how this could help/hurt existing solutions

@stu I agree. VMware could've just launched massive anti-container PR - instead they're feeling out the possibilities.

Well, I'll vote Cisco a lead. ACI really is impressing people - and in PR terms, it's more dramatic = bigger headlines

sigh. @cisco winning on marketing/pr again?

very tough question Cisco has more leverage in market presence and if @vmware can change the game then Cisco might be off balance

15 round battle coming up

There seems to be a general malaise around many of these partnerships these days

Not just @cisco and @vmware -- but the others too such as @junipernetworks @BRCDcomm and @F5networks, among others

It shows the real challenge: How do you embrace #open technologies without cannibalizing your own products?

The whole "open" discussion is nuanced. Cisco has been building a good story - see my interview with Howie Xu https://www.youtube.... - VMware has work to do to gain open source credibility.