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Christopher Wells
What barriers do we think need to be overcome before storage can be decoupled to the point where it can work in any Cloud? Migrate, replicate and resize without worry? Fulfill the promise of #SDS and #SDDC?
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Ryan Beaty
I personally think the ISP barriers will need to be removed. Internet speeds are just not up to snuff to be able to port in and out of the cloud efficiently.
Christopher Wells I can agree with that. The speeds required are certainly a barrier today for most businesses, but I can see the vision.
Adam J. Bergh Internet links today are far to slow for a lot of the real "hybrid" innovation to occur. Once we see a 1GB internet link become ubiquitous, you will see this model become standard.
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Bhumik Patel
I think one critical aspect is to promote & expand the leverage of storage APIs by the virtualization & application tiers - to make it easy to tie it together...Be able to look at an app and push the required storage services down in policies
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Will Wetherington
Abstraction and automation are the key here. Without those there will always be proprietary barriers in the way.
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Jeff Frick
Peter Levine had some interesting ideas on this, @ his theCUBE interview @ VMworld, smaller and smaller individual compute & storage units http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtNsWu5kn7I
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John Furrier
that is a gr8 question.. XaaS is the combo of IaaS, PaaS, SaaS combined with onprem offprem .. as mentioned earlier software will solve this #virtualization etc
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John Furrier
one interesting issue emerging is the confluence of business policy and technical policy both need to be considered and be real time with policy/automation
Christopher Wells People, Process, Politics. Too bad it's difficult to automate and orchestrate people (Matrix anyone?)
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Ryan Beaty
Security. A lot of the larger clients are "scared" of software defined security. That the ASIC is a better method. We need to make security issues a moot point and off the table.
Dave Vellante
Where does AWS fit into this discussion? Are they the future of SDS?
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Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
today, AWS probably offers the leading example of #SDS. You effectively define and purchase via service level, not even knowing how it's implemented (if tho sometime you really want to ;) Lack of control is both blessing & curse for AWS SDS
Dave Vellante is it lack of control or visibility/transparency of (for example) where data is stored?
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Adam J. Bergh
I think most people see AWS as the currently public cloud leader, and #NetApp has made a smart move partnering with them. However, there is a ton of growth to be had, and room for many new players, including VMware to make a big impact.
Ryan Beaty I agree. Not everyone will fit in the AWS model. Especially if your current DC is not in an AWS facility.
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Christopher Wells
Good question Dave. They are definitely innovating. But there will be other players. Consistent data frameworks between providers will be key, i.e standards and common APIs.
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Data Definer
With AWS, biz units seem more willing to dply new apps to cloud; but they still need an on-prem 'bridge'...
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Jeff Frick
regardless of opinion, no question on the disruptive force of AWS
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Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
it's lack of control for guaranteeing and enforcing service levels requested. That desire for control is becoming legacy as developers are now architecting their networking, presentation & data layers around unpredictable service levels
Christopher Wells Netflix is the leader or one of the leaders in this area. Absolutely amazing stuff coming from them ;)
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John Furrier
Netapp is doing a great job of embracing #AWS vs others who run for the hills to compete with #AWS; I think it's a good bet to work with them bc customers care about #AWS
Adam J. Bergh
What do you think is the best approach for an organization considering a move to the cloud environment?
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John Furrier
I talk to CIOs all the time on this..#1 issue is application environment being agile..closed vs open control vs no control
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John Furrier
CIOs monitoring mindsets from in house IT (shadow IT) to their service providers like CSC etc to the technology vendors #SDDC is the vision they want across all three areas i just mentioned
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David A. Chapa
identify candidate workloads for cloud, then determine what cloud resources would be required. Cost Analysis over three years v. traditional methods. IMHO
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Adam J. Bergh
I think orgs need to be sure there is really value add and your org is not moving to cloud because it's "trendy". Be sure to understand risks/rewards.
David A. Chapa +1 Change for the sake of Change is never good.
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Bhumik Patel
Orgs need to define what services they are looking to deliver #IaaS #PaaS #DaaS - and then work backwards, prob 1st step is a hybrid cloud - extending On Prem footprint to scale out in an agile manner
Crowd Captain the next big thing DCaaS (datacenter as a service) google, AWS, io.com, open compute, Facebook,..this is the future imho
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Data Definer
Planning. (grin)
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Ryan Beaty
Usually by bringing in more "less important" servers/apps. This will allow them to test the waters and when they see cloud apps up when disaster hits the company DC they will gravitate to cloud more =)
Data Definer
RT @ajbergh I don't see automation as a completely hands off approach to completing complex tasks. #netappchat via https://t.co/Ce4JfSNlWO
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Christopher Wells
Hasn't it always been the duty of IT to simplify complex tasks? The problems aren't getting any easier. We need to build software to make it easier.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight duty of IT has sadly matured to minimize change in order to minimize risk & 3am phone calls. Our challenge is to address that mentality w/robust #SDS layers of monitoring & auto (re)actions in order to cover basics, sweating only big stuff
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Jeff Frick
http://twitter.com/bhumikp/status/393460419416711168
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RT @NetAppGeek: @furrier It's abt defining ops, biz processes, & tech as services-within & beyond the entprse. #netappchat via https://t.co…
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Jesse Anderson
Automation is just part of the #SDS package I think. Software will help solve complex problems, but we will always want to be hands on for a lot of things. Automation of tasks is something to build on, not just let things go by themselves.
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Jason E. Knight
Automation and Orchestration today are answers to pre-existing questions. I think we are evolving to more predictive uses. Spotting patterns and avoiding problems.
Christopher Wells Yes, yes, yes!
Jeff Frick
I am quoting @NetApp http://twitter.com/NetApp/status/393459325920108544
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Christopher Wells
Does anyone have a take on how automation and orchestration will come into play? How can we build a "skynet" without it becoming 'Skynet'? Is how it works up to the users or the programs?
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Bhumik Patel
One concrete example of how #VMware and #NetApp are leveraging orchestration is via integrations with #vCAC and #WFA - leveraging storage abstraction from #ONTAP to setup app level provisioning faster http://www.netapp.com/in/media/tr-4217.pdf
Christopher Wells And the best part, this is just the beginning!
Bhumik Patel With the ultimate goal of giving customers options to leverage #storage as a service for their #SDDC
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Ryan Beaty
I feel automation is starting to become another buzz word and everyone is going to start wanting automation soon if not already.I think organizing all of the automation solutions will be a task in itself.
Christopher Wells Ah yes. You and I are on the same page. Need intelligence (read: AI) built into the system... hence the 'Skynet' reference ;)
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight remember the ISO9000 craze? Everyone thought strict adherence equated to quality output. All it resulted in was strong correlation of process quality to outcome rather than process content as intended ;)
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Adam J. Bergh
I don't see automation has a completely hands off approach to completing complex tasks. I see it as another way of creating validity and repeatability to complex tasks to insure data integrity.
vmiss but what if the automation tool could "learn" when new systems/components were added? that isn't too far off, just a few variables...
Christopher Wells At some point, the users will need to trust the programs to get it right. Assuming that the programs have been created by good users, not evil ones...
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Data Definer
First, determine if cloud models are even appropriate for their biz problems.
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Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
love the analogy! we're a long way from programs running the show, but with sea of resources to orchestrate the progs will certainly provide infra curation services via automation & orchestration to help qualified humans make good decisions
John Furrier
How does #SDS for CIOs & sysadmins et al relate to #saphana bc #SapTechEd is talking about it this week
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Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
#saphana leading stack hierarchy shift right. Insert memory as new flash, then shift flash as new disk and of course disk as new tape :) What starts as analytics will become new way to do transaction processing w/immediate global insights!
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Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
#saphana creating prominent new tier(s) of memory for #SDS to leverage. Dev's love the ability to code with mem-only semantics for SPEED and not worry about data persistence or HA down the line...
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
I am quoting @vmiss33's awesome example! #NPSAWS http://twitter.com/vmiss33/status/393457720671485952
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@ajbergh yes, integrety is key, and things like NetApp Private Storage for AWS can answer that #netappchat via https://t.co/9kTRumhNyj
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John Furrier
Many say cloud is great but many say control is important..private cloud (on prem) gives control & cost more & public cloud cost less with less control..CIOs want to know the key tradeoffs wrt storage #cloud #storage #datacenter
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Nick Howell
I would argue that that is an old concern. Those processes are improving everyday with enhanced RBAC and more granular API SDK's to control who can do what to what and when.
Adam J. Bergh I agree with this, but old thoughts die a long death. How do we ease concerns about this?
Jason E. Knight Control is bigger than who has access to the data. What about the cloud company that goes out of business and gives their users two weeks to get their data?
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Adam J. Bergh
One big challenge is data integrity. Insuring the validity and security of data as it moves between private and public clouds.
vmiss yes, integrety is key, and things like NetApp Private Storage for AWS can answer that
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight it's always easy to overlook the foundational stuff, but when the foundation architecture can be as elastic as this scope, real innovation must step up to make sure it doesn't snap! Enuf mixed metaphors for now? :D
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Bhumik Patel
Great point and it's more relevant than ever as Software Defined "anything" (SDx) is a top strategic tech trends http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2603623 @furrier
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Ryan Beaty
I think every org is different for on prem or cloud being the "cheapest" solution. You have to find that right balance for your org's ROI before investing too heavily one way or the other.
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Data Definer
Unless orgs have plan to tie cloud services and on-prem together, it can turn into an integration nightmare.
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Jesse Anderson
There has to be a balance between private and public clouds. Chargeback (as mentioned) is going to come into play for the private to help with internal costs if implemented correctly.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight exactly - if you're not talking about chargeback (or at least showback) at some point - you ain't talkin cloud ;)
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Data Definer
It's abt defining ops, biz processes, & tech as services-within & beyond the entprse.
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Bhumik Patel
#SDS vision from #VMware Office of CTOhttp://cto.vmware.com/vmwares-strategy-for-software-defined-storage/
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Bhumik Patel
#SDS vision from #VMware Office of CTO http://cto.vmware.com/vmwares-strategy-for-software-defined-storage/
John Furrier
Question: In #SDDC talk about the software piece and the physical datacenter piece..implications to both in new modern IT architecture
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Jeff Frick
Love it, Software defined everything, makes sense, much more flexible, easier to evolve
Adam J. Bergh Exactly, all of the innovation will be on software side and not necessarily the hardware side of storage in the future.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight @jbergh I think there's plenty of room left for HW innovation, but it's now gotta stand out as slave to the new SW master :)
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Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
data centers are like the new motherboards. #SDDC lets you think of easily tapping many resources at scale with the same effort you would use for 1 program to maximize a "PC's" resources
John Furrier what about the instrumentation of components in the holistic view of the #datacenter -will that be a big data challenge or #internetofthings
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Christopher Wells
Software piece becomes almost the entire pie in a #SDDC. Hardware becomes a small slice.
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Ryan Beaty
Physical hardware will always be around. Managing the hardware cohesively will be key as IT departments shrink and tech gets more complicated.
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Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
Ubiquitous standardization of hardware is the other consequence. Not so much from a programming perspective, mostly from a management of equip lifecycle at scale
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Adam J. Bergh
It's really and exciting time to be involved in datacenter tech. The evolution of the DC is happening at a much more rapid pace then I have ever seen. The push for a truly #SDDC is a big reason why.
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vmiss
abstraction is key in #SDDC, it gives the ability to be agile and flexible, to enable IT organizations to accelerate their business' requirements, regardless of the hardware
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Christopher Wells
In the context of VMware, we can think of the #SDDC components like VMs that can be moved around automatically. Call it vDatacenter Motion, in VMware parlance.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight VM's that can be instantiated, moved, grown, shrunk, repurposed, hibernated, rejuvinated - and eventually killed :)
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Ryan Beaty
Internal IT depts will need to start acting more like Service Providers and quickly spin up and down services quickly for internal departments. The need for charge back and gaining pace as well.
Jeff Frick This was the theme at ServiceNow, AWS is forcing internal IT to start treating their constituents like real customers
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Bhumik Patel
In context of #SDS the abstraction, pooling and automation concepts of #SDDC should aim to deliver storage level services for faster app provisioning.
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Adam J. Bergh
The use of flash and 10GBe and soon 40GBe in the DC have been the only real game changing innovations in the DC on the hardware side. Software on the other hand is transforming how entire business are being run.
Jesse Anderson Hardware can only do so much. Software is where the problems are being solved.
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight yes those innovations are visible now. Near-term future is even more exciting with Memory-Channel Storage (MCS) as precursor to full Storage-Class Memory. Think storage literally at memory speeds! Gonna need some even faster interconnects now :D
Jason E. Knight Cisco designed UCS with #SDDC in mind so the plumbing itself becomes static, #NetApp cDOT very similarly does the same with storage.
Jeff Frick Just saw a Gartner / IO presentation on innovation in usage, configuration strategy that yielded giant utilization improvements #IODataCenters
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Crowd Captain
The crowd likes this topic and is activated --Nice
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Bhumik Patel
So with #VMware and #NetApp, we are integrating at all levels of #SDDC providing customers maximum leverage of their investments https://communities.netapp.com/community/netapp-blogs/netapp-360/blog/2013/10/16/vmware-and-netapp-int
Bhumik Patel This includes #SDDC #automation level integration - leveraging #ONTAP software abstractions to provision key storage services as part of our #vCloud orchestration allowing #IAAS solutions to be delivered
Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight great reminder that SDDC/SDN/SDS has some excellent applications today, even as the technology matures to the satisfaction of mainstream and eventually late adopters
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Stuart Miniman
a move to a software model does not necessarily mean that hardware is all commodity. Read much more at http://wikibon.org/SLI
Christopher Wells Agree, but the majority of the M&A and R&D money will and continue to be spent on software. Hardware will become more and more general-purposed.
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Val Bercovici - 2020 Hindsight
@sockeyes51@ajbergh btw - disk and even tape haven't given up the ghost yet. They're racing Flash down the value chain in their own dimensions of $/capacity and $/TCO for warm and cold data respectively...
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Jesse Anderson
It's in the software that is deployed on that which makes the difference. #CDOT, #NetApp, #VMware and #Flexpods are really showing what the software can do for #clouds.
Christopher Wells Imagine going further toward making that software hardware-agnostic and you can really see the agility come into play, the beauty of #SDDC.