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adopting cloud, regardless of whether open or closed, requires cultural change in the enterprise - I see the support for @openstack and @cloudfoundry as smart enterprises making a good bet as they pave the way for adoption

ideal adoption? kick out the proprietary "dinosaurs" and go all in on open cloud. Realistic? slow, staged rollout taking months to years with old and new running side by side for quite a period of time.

@mjfork You beat me to it. And the beauty of open clouds is that you can realistically do a slow, staged rollout

@Christo4Ferris is dead on - cultural change is a must. Adopting cloud without a cultural change is often viewed as a failure of cloud, when it reality it was an organization failing.

Ultimately I think hybridization will increase, and we'll end up with a strong group of somewhat competing and somewhat cooperating open cloud technology platforms.

I'll go with hybridization

It boils down to ecosystem. The approach with the richest set of complementary capabilities will become predominant

@AngelLuisDiaz I couldn't agree more

Looking back 15 yrs, I am just so glad this is where we are now as an industry.

In general I'm in agreement, although there are plenty of "dead-end" solutions that last a very long time... ;)

There's no question that the advantages of open tech in cloud are so profound that no organization should be considering rejecting them.

@ebravick +1

hhhmmm have you talked to any midsized company CEOs? they don't see it that way

The dinosaur of purely closed software ecosystems isn't just dead, its already a fossil.

i would love to quote you!!! LOL

For many organizations this is a decade plus platform decision so the future potential of the platform you choose is critical

@ebravick closed software ecosystems are the Zombie apocalypse

this is getting fun

@kellycapo I know some business organizations still haven't figured this out... we all know someone who is way behind the curve. However, those organizations are increasingly under pressure to join the larger ecosystems...

I wish I had the secret sauce to help them make the jump.

OpenStack, its like having a shotgun during the Zombie Apocalypse... a shotgun for software that doesn't know its dead yet!

@kellycapo We all do!!! Unfortunately it takes a lot of hand holding, education, and labor...

@ebravick totally

ditto - totally

From my experience, Hybrid public / private cloud use cases pop out immediately.

In specific, cases in which a use case has a predictable base load that we can do highly efficiently in an OpenStack "private" cloud married with say an AWS or Softlayer component.

@ebravick Digital Film Tree is a great example of those hybrid use cases--post production for Modern Family, Her, etc

I think if you look at the breadth of plugins for storage, networking and hypervisors in #openstack you'd have to say that is a clear advantage over propriatery alternatives

The public cloud component we shift variable load to, but we can often gain considerable economic and operational advantages by keeping base load in a private OpenStack cloud.

*proprietary - sheesh

They have their own private cloud, studio clouds, and burst to public OpenStack clouds

They've pioneered tri-brid cloud! = ) You heard it here first

ok I love it Tri-brid

Congrats to @jbryce on being the first to coin a phrase during one of our chats: Tri-brid #cloud

most telling use cases are yet to come - Cloud Foundry is not deployed at wide scale to really take advantage of the openness of OpenStack and what can be done across disparate clouds (public, private, on and off-premises, cross vendor)

Any industry that depends on software--oh wait...that's all of them

In general, I think anything related to Security strongly benefits from open cloud. Many security oriented hybrid clouds are not possible without an open cloud component.

@jbryce Yes, it's a beautifully horizontal approach

I can't think of any that don't benefit... as for _require_, I see many governments increasingly moving in this direction of preference for open standards and open source

Which industries have been the most fervent early adopters, in general?

One could categorize solutions on a scale of "disruptive"... in general on this spectrum I would say more disruptive technology comes out of open cloud tech.

that's like asking which customers benefit from increased standardization and more competition :-)

enterprises with very strong technical depth such as finance, and media are often the trail-blazers - good examples for #openstack are PayPal, Bloomberg, Comcast, and even the NSA

Any industry except Government

traditional HPC type workloads have been early adoptions, especially in Government and Financials (banks)

@kellycapo why except gov't? I'm curious... I think I've observed the opposite, actually

I'm was thinking NSA type Government work :)

@kellycapo Agree with @Christo4Ferris, NSA is an OpenStakc user (had keynote a year or so ago), as have national labs like Argonne.

I have officially been "Schooled" thanks guys

strong ecosystem is an important by-product of an open initiative

Ability to control their destiny - don't like where the community is headed, take the code and go your own path.

The ability to experiment with paths that the creators of the software didn't necessarily intend or understand is key.

Many OpenStack users cite the ability to influence the roadmap as one of the key benefits

How important is experimentation in building open cloud technology?

The ability to examine and understand the components of how something is built, and modify them or reorganize them for a user case.

another is innovation - we had >1,000 contributors to #openstack IceHouse release implementing many new features and helping to improve and harden existing capability

experimentation on the edges, through various "incubator" initiatives is key to driving new innovation and collaboration

Customization, control, agility

Experimentation is very important in the more leading edge deployments. It gets less critical as you move towards center mass of an industry... but innovation comes from the edges!

I'd have to add one benefit: tee-shirt collections ;-)

Cost as a barrier to entry is also important... open cloud technology allows an entire ecosystem of solutions to come into existence that could not have been affordably launched in any other way.

@christo4ferris True dat