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My guess is that many have been putting in POCs for cloud and not sure the uptake on cloud at SAP

@furrier @BoobBoo I still think a good number of people struggle to understand what they mean by cloud anyway. Complicates the conversation before you even start...

@furrier @TimFisherUK Cloud is not difficult to grasp, you just need to spend 5 mins and realise that most of it is about the level of control you wish to exert over the resources you utilise/purchase

it's the same IT stuff for years except the new model is speed of deploying new apps and changes

@Crowdfather cloud is beyond obvious in terms of future but the integration with on prem is not straightforward huge amt of issues; oppty is for app infra more than ever

@Crowdfather at #hpdiscover and all other events we've been to all point to #SDN and network issues holding up the app SaaS game in #devops

@furrier @TimFisherUK @Crowdfather True, integration is a massive piece of gthe puzzle - especially integration at scale. This is where experienced Cloud architects are necessary and not in plentiful supply

Totally agree on Chris point!! policy based {blank} has been around for years. Now it's just more sh*t to deal with

you're coming at this from the techy pov. Sales & business guys just want cheap, fast, secure etc but they don't want to take on board what goes round it. Haven't you had the 'AWS do it...why can't we do that here?' chat with anyone recently?

@dvellante should weight in here bc the economics of IT are recasted now but it's a timebomb; he peppered Marten Mickos of @HPhelionCloud on this topic which resulted in a positive debate

@BoobBoo but I do agree with you - it's all back to hybrid stuff we were talking about 18mths ago.

@furrier Marten Mickos Rocks

@TimFisherUK It is disappointing that we are still talking about this stuff @furrier

yes he does..ck out this awesome video we had great conversation https://www.youtube....

@TimFisherUK it's still being talked about bc no one is going to the cloud in masses yet..it's on the planning doc in my view; security & networking archit really slowing things down

Chris, depends on SAP products - BusinessSuite, BOBJ, B1 still old style

If SAP could help shave their economy by just 10% or $ 20 bn a year, I would bet customers would spend $3 to 5 bn of that back with SAP's new products.

- if It was ME? I'd have said SAP needs to ensure that data center costs get hammered, that implementers get rejigged on working week and better starting templates.

others are saying that SAP is bloated with old tech not aligned with a services driven (API) model. This can easily be fixed bc they have tech chops but need overhaul

@dahowlett @holgermu I would have SI contracts have better defined deliverables that align with business aims. Not simply metrics around FTEs

@Crowdfather - that is changing with SAP Cloud stuff as noted by @rhirsch

Tthere are 4 types of customers with 12 strategies in book. First takeaway would be to mix and match from that" says Vinnie

If I'm reading this right, it sounds pretty prescriptive. Is that what you mean?

could you be more specific?

wrt Digital Transformation - I think so. The rest was a badly worded question I think...:)

wrt SaaS stuff - esp. multi-tennant offerings seem to force towards standard. Not a bad thing - but it's a tool & has to be used in the right way. This won't solve all problems so it seems limiting to retire tools that aren't seen to fit the new model.

IT traditionally customized s/w because they could, not necessarily b/c they should. Some level of std is a good thing.

Config has worked well for some customers. Check to see how WDAY and NetSuite customers have gone on.

Don't disagree with either of you - but one size doesn't fit all. Maybe forces new ways to innovate - but for pure enterprise SaaS seems it could end up being mostly clever contracting (SLAs etc) rather than cool new tech - but maybe I'm a cynic.

Agree that it's not black/white. But rather streamlining into a smaller range.

But is that good for the ecosystem? Homogeneity carries an element of risk and reduces innovation. That's more likely to kill a software player than anything else IMO..if the thing you are know for isn't relevant - you die. Simple as that.

Not saying one-size-fits-all. But ecosystem will trump customization opportunity.

Ah, the simplification goal of buy not build - where the ecosystem is so big someone has always thought of what you need and is offering it for sale...even if it happens - doesn't that just make sure the economy stays bloated and out of control?

Too early to tell. More product has to be built / released and sold and implemented.

Thanks

agree - think SAP is thinking product centric, the bigger opp is around their products in the customer site, partners etc

As an ecosystem total value? - I think it's more than that if you factor in SME SAP customers

An old 'law' in the on premise world was that for every SAP $, partners would make 7. So yes, probably close.

if I had included amortization, full rates of outsourcers etc could easily have got to $300 bn a year

what was the point. The model is only one chapter because I wanted to profile root causes and customer strategies a lot more

He did...awesum tech support as usual

you can expand the video out in separate window

@john - can you grab control and do that for us?

And his static pic looks the best! That said - not sure I ever saw him IRL with a tie.

.@dahowlett You may have mixed up VMs books http://sandhill.com/...

Well that sux doesn't it: Try this instead - http://sandhill.com/...

You're very welcome Roland - we could have gone a lot longer but that will be for another time methinks.

thanks, need to sign off now!

When is Vinnie going to write the same for @Oracle @Salesforce and @Worday ?

@holgermu Good question...will get this one in.

Ok what is his next book?

@holgermu Not about enterprise software !!