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John Furrier
#gopivotal just launched their Pivotal One platform ...thoughts from the Crowd? is it vapor or real?
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Brian Fanzo
Very interesting... I was just reading about it here... "Pivotal One Launches, Now Every Enterprise Can Develop Like An Internet Giant http://shar.es/8swkV " Enterprise PaaS
Tim Crawford The question isn't can they? The question s/b: should they. For some, it is needed. Most others, not so much.
Brian Fanzo Agree @Tcrawford... But is it also a question of enterprise customers still aren't sure exactly what and how to solve their big data problems. Is PaaS the right answer.. I guess we will see
Tim Crawford Spot on! Most enterprises are still struggling w/ #cloud. PaaS bring further q's to the table.
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Caroline McCrory
Customers who have it working, love it.
John Furrier which customers and what do they like about it
Matt Wolpin Other than it just being released, what is stopping other customers/prospects?
John Furrier I attended EMC analyst event last month people need to remember Pivotal is very young still..my issue is 1600 employees and lots to build - it will either flame out huge or be a monster success
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Caroline McCrory
Warner Music Group, Baidu, Swisscom to name a few
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Brian Fanzo
It seems like they really are focusing on helping "real-time" rearchitecture help for companies to manage big data... Would love to see more details on the exact problems they are solving..
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Caroline McCrory
Agreed it is young, but with a lot of clout and seniority across suite of products.
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Todd Cadley
Agree w/ @CloudOfCaroline - heard a bit of reality checking in Q2 7 Q3 w/ many but people understand need. Throwing tons of resources/IP (people/tech) at it.
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Stuart Miniman
Pivotal is now also hosting on Verizon - of course expected alternatives to AWS - choice is appealing
John Furrier I do agree that getting good motivated partners is very good move Cloud Foundry by itself will not make it
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Renat Khasanshyn
as long as they pull off real integration between 4 product categories - PaaS, Data (Hadoop, scale-out DBs) and Analytics - it can kick ass of quite a few vendors!
John Furrier that what they need to line up on a string and pul it.. it's very hard to do.. I don't think they have the personell to do it.. developing mkt use cases while technology changing fast = dangerous
Brian Fanzo Integration is the key across the product categories but that is going to require some heavy re-architecture as well for customers.. right?
Tim Crawford Success and failure of #cloud solutions will ultimately rest w/ the value of their ecosystem.
Brian Fanzo Teaching Change is no easy task & #Cloud solutions require change in all aspects of IT & in all layers of the IT stack.. Ecosystem plus Ability to embrace change are key..
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Caroline McCrory
Agree with @stu. Choice is appealing. The community enhancements to Cloud Foundry where it is tested by Pivotal is extremely appealing. True sharing.
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Crowd Captain
@andypiper says https://twitter.com/andypiper/status/400304603025379328
andypiper
@furrier absolutely real, I wrote about it today too http://t.co/mrC3pA8vOW - have lots of customers I’m working with already
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Andy Piper
the customer and contributor roster at @platformcf was impressive and geniune. With Pivotal One we also deliver on the Hadoop and Analytics story.
John Furrier Spring story is solid but what about other projects ..are you leading the contribution or just using them..Redis, etc
John Furrier not doubt the force of pivotal will be huge like i said it will be huge success or massive implosion..i just don't see it any other way
John Furrier
Question: to use a mobile metaphor to talk about Cloud Approaches ..."is AWS the iPhone and Openstack Android? "
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Matt Wolpin
If that's the case, I think it could hurt AWS in the long run. Enterprises will want more control of the underlying infrastructure.
John Furrier Apple won bc they were good and people dealt with their closed tech & open mktplace..#AWS has that mojo going on ..functionality wins in the end if mtk of apps is open
John Furrier Joe Tucci at EMC said that they will be open.. that means VMware and Openstack have to make the "android" play
Tim Crawford As ent mature, they won't care about underlying infrastructure. See my cloud maturity chart.
Brian Fanzo I often have the Apple vs Droid argument & I explain it as.... iPhone just works & although I love Android features.. My at home ecosystem (Apple TV, iTunes, Photo Stream) is so easy my wife can do it.. Openstack has to focus on education.
John Furrier nice Brian: education for Openstack (public PaaS mainly) is very key for open cloud cc @rackspace -it's yours to win/lose
Zadara Storage Agree that enterprise want control, but also automation. It's not about the infrastructure itself as much as it is about tunable performance, security and costs.
Tim Crawford They want control b/c that's the paradigm they've always used. Cloud presents a change to the norm. New paradigm required.
Brian Fanzo The data center has been long over due for a paradigm shift but enterprises jumping directly to the cloud seems like a bandaid on a much bigger problem.. (data center automation, virtualization & software controlled infrastructure)
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Brian Fanzo
Wow.. as an Apple geek I think you might have nailed that... The question will be for Openstack will they standardize & use the power of the ecosystem or fall into the Android confusion of too many options & it doesn't just "WORK"..
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Tim Crawford
Are they really directly comparable? Seems more like apples/ oranges.
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Matt Wolpin
While I am a huge Apple fan, Android's marketshare is much larger and more widely "deployed." Not sure if Apple has won despite its device superiority.
Brian Fanzo I agree.. I always enjoy a good #mobile educated debate..
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Matt Wolpin
@iSocial_Fanz - I have the same argument and completely agree. OpenStack has the community (and vendor support) to power the education - IMHO.
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Matt Wolpin
@tcrawford Yes. Just like SDN, NFV and network virtualization. A perfect paradigm storm is hitting the network and data center.
Tim Crawford Don't forget NIH. That's is the pink elephant in the traditional enterprise IT discussion.
Tim Crawford
#AWS has a great #ecosystem today, but do they have the *right* ecosystem long term for the large swath of enterprise demand?
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Stuart Miniman
Pivotal has made lots of good ecosystem parter announcements, now we need to see a lot more customer adoption
Tim Crawford Agreed...sort of. The question is around relevance which leads to adoption.
Caroline McCrory Agree with @tcrawford Business relevance and ease of consumption will aid adoption
John Furrier Many are saying that Pivotals partner announcements are "barney deals" " I love you and you love me" -customers want real tech not open source projects and window dressing
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Todd Cadley
or are all of the other "frenemies" going to circle the wagons around #AWS. Or has it already happened? Who flies in to shake up the nest?
adrian cockcroft they collectively don't have enough wagons to reach all the way around AWS :-)
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adrian cockcroft
from my POV the AWS Ecosystem has changed rapidly from early adopters to include a lot of trad. enterprise over the last year.
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John Furrier
great question Tim.. to my post about iphone vs android in consumer mobile.. cloud will go the same way..if mkt is open developers will love it #devops will be the model
John Furrier
AWS will again focus on the "march to the enterprise" is their cloud enterprise ready? And how far are they from being enterprise grade?
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Matt Wolpin
Define "enterprise grade?" Is it simply a few security measures? Or is it more customization?
John Furrier Enterprise means a seamless hybrid with integrated stacks for application centric scale..which #AWS has now on public..SLAs and Security are key
Zadara Storage some attributes that come to mind: reliable, secure, private, high availability, Predictable Performance (QoS) and data management control.
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Matt Wolpin
In that case it may be more of a question is the enterprise's network ready for AWS. Regardless, both are headed in the right direction.
Brian Fanzo Beyond the network are enterprises equipped with the right people & services to migrate to the cloud.
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Matt Wolpin
@iSocial_Fanz - Exactly! AWS has come a long way, but education/training still needed at human level.
Brian Fanzo Yes there is something to be said about being educated on the technology & being prepared to handle "change" especially on an enterprise scale.
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Matt Wolpin
@iSocial_Fanz And the services are emerging as well.
Caroline McCrory
Regardless of Cloud platform, Enterprises need to understand how to move off those Clouds. Per @tcrawford, how do you get divorced? Do you get your data back? In what format? Can you still read it? Use it? #AWS #Reinvent
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Tim Crawford
Thanks for the ref! Here's the link: What's your #Cloud exit strategy? http://avoa.com/2013/10/17/what-is-your-cloud-exit-strategy/
Brian Fanzo
Was anyone else surprised to hear that the event was "sold out" with it being the 2nd year such great buzz around year 1 why have the cap... Is that to make it feel like an Amazon Prime special because its limited?
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Matt Wolpin
It was sold out last year too. They were turning people away at session doors in 2012.
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John Furrier
many were trying to compare #AWS 8k attendees to Sf.com #Dreamforce of over 100k attending #dreamforce is old #aws is new
Brian Fanzo Yeah I saw the same comparisons.. I am interested how it compares to #VmWorld not on size but on knowledge shared..
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Tim Crawford
Let's not forget that "Sold Out" is a manufactured constraint for this show.
Crowd Captain #AWS mgt is smart they own the developers and that will be their future
Jenn Jinhong
What do you think the 'hot' topic of #AWS #reinvent will be this year? I'd put my money on #BigData.
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John Furrier
Hot topic I'm following is the utter destruction #AWS is putting on Pivotal/VMware/Msft/IBM in terms of winning the Cloud future #justsayin
Todd Cadley Could be an interesting gun battle and lots of $$ to be won...
Jenn Jinhong I'm definitely looking to see what they are up to. :-)
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Brian Fanzo
There seems to be a lot of buzz around what has changed in just 1 year since the last event. Especially for enterprise scale customers.
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Todd Cadley
oops - should have replied to you...
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Crowd Captain
AWS is all about big data imo bc their stack is built for application - developer centric if they can fill in the holes and get hybrid cloud up they will win it all #cloud #developers
John Furrier
Cloud Exit Strategy ?? RT @charlesaraujo What’s your #Cloud exit strategy? #CIO #reinvent #awsreinvent http://t.co/k5q4WZ8bwX
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Tim Crawford
I'm a huge #cloud proponent. But how does one plan to exit/ move from a cloud provider.
Crowd Captain This relates to #AWS recent court victory to uphold their huge win over IBM where IBM rigged the big on "minimum commitment" which was a head fake or lock in
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Crowd Captain
This guy is talking about portability (divorce scenario) @cCloudOfCaroline brought this up earlier.. This is about LOCK IN folks
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Caroline McCrory
Same question of pulling back from an outsourcer, what is your exit plan? Will you still be able to read the physical drives they 'return' to you?
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Brian Fanzo
It feels like "Lock In" and lack of exit strategy all hinge around #Cloud solutions providing low cost "adoption/migration" solutions but then once u move your screwed..
Tim Crawford Providers need on-ramps and off-ramps. And custs need to understand how they work. Right now, the cust is responsible for both.
Brian Fanzo
It seems like enterprises want to solve every tech buzzword with one giant easy button cloud solution but have enterprises even figured out how to embrace virtualization or SDDC... They jump to the cloud without taking the initial steps it seems..
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Matt Wolpin
BINGO!
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Caroline McCrory
They jump to the 'Cloud' the same they jumped to Outsourcing 10 years ago. Centralized to Decentralized and back again. Lacks business relevance in most cases cc @tcrawford
Brian Fanzo Agree and continues the tug of war between IT & infrastructure aka facilities on who controls/cares about the data center or the foundation of the cloud.
Crowd Doc
CrowdChat runs on 100% #AWS #ElasticBeanStalk. Very easy do to daily deploy. We don't have an Ops team.
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Crowd Captain
Hello Crowd Dr - . Very easy to maintain multiple version of applications. Very easy to scale up and down. Most of it is auto-configured.. other mgt is needed but they are working on it
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John Furrier
We have been using #elasticbeanstalk for a while and it's amazing for pushing code into the stack.. this is the direction Pivotal and IBM are trying to go.. not easy to do but it's the future