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#SKILupDayDevSecOps #SKILupDayDiscussing DevSecOps and Upskilling in DevOps ahead of SKILup Day on Sept. 17
DevOps Institute
First question: What does observability in DevOps mean to you?
Chris Riley ☁
That is a huge question :) I see it as an evolution of monitoring. Which has always been a crucial aspect of fast moving #DevOps environments.
Marc Cluet #BLM
Observability is the culmination of DevOps "measure everything", it helps drive decisions be it business, IT or monitoring based on all that rich data that your systems generate #DevOps #SKILupDay #Observability
Marc Hornbeek, DevOps_the_Gray esq.
@DObservability in DevOps is a state of being for applications, pipelines and infrastructures in which information and insights that are important to customers and stakeholders are visible and actionable.EVOPSINST
Biswajit Mohapatra
Observability is about understanding what are systems failure modes, how data and insights can be leveraged to iterate and improve the system #DevOps #Skilupday
Helen Beal 🐝
Telemetry everywhere means we can respond to problems better but also that our work is more visible and we can extend this to value realisation
Chris Riley ☁
unfortunately the term " #Observability " has been a members only club. But that is our fault - we need to speak about it in terms of how do you keep pace with modern app velocity.
Alex Mercado
@Observability, a more recent addition to the engineering lexicon, speaks to this need, and refers to the monitoring, tracking, and triaging of incidents to prevent downtime.DEVOPSINST
Simone Jo Moore
First and foremost #observability means we can 'see' something. That in itself is difficult for some organisations to provide the right level of #visibility needed.
Siddharth
#Observability is what you can within the system without getting inside and make informed decision outside. #devops
Helen Beal 🐝
@simonejomoore How's the storm? @lynxman can hear it over here!
Peter Maddison
For me it is can we see and measure how work flows through our systems. Are they observable? Do we have gaps?
Simone Jo Moore
@BealHelen Brewing strongly. Windows/doors blowing open, you can feel the electricity and pressure building.
Simone Jo Moore
@simonejomoore Whoa … see you later guys - lightening.
Mark Peters
Have to remember observability not just as technical but observing and measuring human behavior
Suma Puligella
- In a failure mode - figuring out what's going on just by looking at the outputs: that’s when we need Observability.
Siddharth
What is more important #observability or #monitoring ? #devops @DEVOPSINST
Chris Riley ☁
The App should be the guide, but it is not one or the other. It is an evolution of approaches.
Marc Cluet #BLM
They both cover different aspects, I'd say both are equally important #SKILupDay #DevOps #observability
Alex Mercado
Observability is about more than just monitoring your system - it's about understanding it.
WillCappelli
They are compatible but monitoring tech by imposing apriori structures on the underlying data streams makes it unable to work easily with systems that are highly modular, dynamic, and ephemeral.
Anshul Lalit
You achieve #observability based on available data for the system intended to be monitored, then #monitoring becomes the task of data crunch and visualization. I say, #observability, #monitoring, and Analysis are the pillars to provide actionable analytics.
Marc Hornbeek, DevOps_the_Gray esq.
monitoring and observability are interdependent. However observability is more powerful than monitoring alone because of he higher level insights .that observability provides.
Biswajit Mohapatra
Both are connected. While monitoring talks about fact related to prior happening, observability deals with uncertainty with contextual and conversational insights
Peter Maddison
Would it be like data -> information -> knowledge. telemetry -> monitoring -> observability

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Helen Beal 🐝
Can you have observability without monitoring? Is monitoring the foundation for fulfilling an observability mindset? Is observability a culture or a tool?
Mark Peters
monitoring is the physical function allowing one to observe. More , transparency should be th output of obsevability
Siddharth
@HoardingInfo however the questions comes in what to focus if given the option to choose from.
Siddharth
nice flow of events here Peter.
Mark Peters
First comes gathering the data then saying if that data is true, what happens next?
Mark Peters
as much as you can afford and interpret in a timely manner
Mark Peters
@CappelliWill shouldnt be about imposing structure but about collecting available data and interpreting
DevOps Institute
Is there a link between Observability and Automation? If so what is it and why is it important?
WillCappelli
Automation requires the ability to respond to situations as they arise. This, in turn, requires the ability to see patterns, make predictions on the fly. That is where observability comes in with AI the link between data and automation.
Marc Hornbeek, DevOps_the_Gray esq.
Real time observability for IT systems depends on automated aggregation and analysis of monitoring data into insights
Siddharth
#observability needs to be made better & mature as we go by. How can you do it ? Many Ways. Automation is just one of them. #devops
Helen Beal 🐝
Observability is culture but is enabled by the automation and tooling
Biswajit Mohapatra
Automation and Tools enables practice of observability seamlessly
Chris Riley ☁
Hate to say it I think in #DevOps #SRE #Observability automation is a big assumption. Otherwise the effort of shift-left is too much to make it a reasonable exercise.
Siddharth
similar to the relationship between #devops & #automation. You can have #devops culture without #automation but can't go long miles without #automation.
Marc Cluet #BLM
Automation can accelerate and enable greater observability #SKILupDay #DevOps #observability
Alex Mercado
Automation is a set of tools DevOps is about the whole picture.
Anshul Lalit
#Observability is a sustainable approach above monitoring for operational insights, better incidents management, quality control contributing towards a better product. Automation is something that enables means for #Observability in #DevOps.
Jack Maher MSIS, PMP, DOL, CAL, SRE
I think that visibility which enables transparency is the key, but without the context of how the organization is operating we fall short of true observability. That requires visualization and automated analysis that brings the enormous amount of data together.
Suma Puligella
- Yes indeed. The better your analysis capabilities are, the more valuable your investments in Observability and Monitoring become. The resulting high fidelity monitoring data improves the quality of feedback in the CI/CD loop. Hence Automation is very important.
Simone Jo Moore
Think of AIOps like your health app on your wrist device, sleep device and so on. It’s constantly feeding information to the database but the way in which it is communicated makes a difference on how we understand it and make decisions.
Mark Peters
automation enables reports and contributes to observability. Never should be an excuse for the human who has to make a decision, just removes toil
Siddharth
What is the difference between “monitoring” and “observability”? @DEVOPSINST #devops #observability
Marc Hornbeek, DevOps_the_Gray esq.
@pareeksiddharthObservability is a synthesis of data and insights derived from a plethora of monitoring streams while monitoring is an action that involves gathering and reporting data.
Helen Beal 🐝
Monitoring tells you there's a problem, observability tells you what to do with it
Mark Peters
monitoring provides inputs to observability and outputs awareness
WillCappelli
Observability is about ingesting and making available the raw data generated directly by the IT systems; monitoring is about imposing predefined structures on the data as it comes in. now structures are important. they are what make sense of the data but they need to be...
Marc Cluet #BLM
If I have to put an analogy it's the difference between analysing car accident data versus all the data the car generates everyday #DevOps #SKILupDay #observability
WillCappelli
generated in real time and that is where AI comes into the equation.
Biswajit Mohapatra
Monitoring – Measurement, Data Collection and Decomposition, A fact related to prior happening, Deal with Certainty
Observability – Controllability, Deal with uncertainty, cognitive insight
Chris Riley ☁
@lynxman Or supporting a 1998 Honda Accord or a 2020 Tesla
Suma Puligella
- Observability is the practice of achieving actionable insights from data that is generated by instrumented IT and software systems Vs. Monitoring is defined as the actions involved in observability.
Mark Peters
Don’t agree that observability creates action. Observability creates a practice of gathering data. And aggregating usefully. Sometimes the best action is none