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Bailey Caldwell17

#oeforum @furrier - good discussion. We still see every openstack cloud being just different enough to make life difficult. Looking forward to more consistency. Here @rightscale we still see the mix of DIY + OSS = complexity.

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Great insight. You guys have been doing cloud from day one. What do you think is the migration status. full steam ahead or slowed down by complexity?

Bailey Caldwell Not only is it slowing things down on adoption, its creating a default reaction to do nothing, live with the status quo, avoid the risk.

Agreed. Hence the need for a renewed focus on OpenStack based products. The DIY insanity needs to stop. It's causing more harm than good.

I thought the whole idea (at least one idea anyway) was interoperability b/tween openstack clouds - is that a pipe dream in your view?

Bailey Caldwell I can't name 2 openstack clouds that are interoperable. Without Rightscale (shameless plug)...but, we've done as much work as probably anyone to get two clouds to play together.

John Furrier Bailey: I can attest that we met when AWS was rolling out initially Rightscale has been there since the beginning.

Is the continuous releases an issue (every 6 months) or is it the upgrade process not being in place?

Bailey are they a big customer? I am quoting @bret_clement http://twitter.com/bret_clement/status/428685805842747393

"Internap customers are using RightScale. OpenStack ecosystem blossoming." #oeforum

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#openstack 12 month trendline what you’re going to see over the next 12 months is a simplification of the OpenStack core pieces. And you’re going to see a consensus of the best practice how to roll this out.

Philippe Nicolas11

Do we know some #OpenStack deployed projects without an human army to maintain and support configs. - this is a key point for Enterprise adoption

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Enterprises are more accustom to 'packaged' software. #OpenStack is quite different...by design.

Philippe Nicolas Sure but explaining #OpenStack difference doesn't help for adoption - Enterprises wish repeatable config., something who works elsewhere they can deploy in-house

Tim Crawford #OpenStack is better suited for web-scale and service providers, not the average enterprise today.

I think this is the issue that I have with the #mirantis model.. human bottleneck is huge issue

Tim Crawford Throwing more people at the problem doesn't solve it. It isn't scalable and works against the efficiencies we hope to gain.

there are already a large collection of configuration management tools to handle this. Chef, Puppet, Ansible, and Salt all have supported solutions.

@ProjectNectar is a great example of a big, mature and stable #OpenStack cloud that runs via a very small team. And they do cool stuff on it.

cloud foreign11

@kenpepple brings up a great point. Biggest hurdle to adoption is not so much OpenStack, but these orgs not understanding cloud computing itself.

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Ding Ding Ding. I've got my cloud, now what?

Bingo! Totally agree. That is why I was agreeing with @JeffFrick on the professional services thread dominating the action right now. evolution is progress

Process and Organization and Governance, bigger hurdle than tech.

well said!

Yep.

Question for thought leaders: What impact or role if any does Open Compute Project mean for the #Openstack community?

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No impact, minimal role.

The OCP hardware designs are not IaaS friendly.

John Furrier this is important conversations to have.. #AWS builds their own hw.. Can #devops culture get into the hw market?

Brian Fanzo But not friendly is different from not possible. I know for a fact watching with my own eyes as my team is making it happen but agree not the easiest thing!

Too much conceptual talk and less use cases for the masses of where the rubber hits the road.

So far it's been great for Facebook. Event though there are standards, companies still need to go out and source, integrate, ingest, and make useful all of the 'openness'.

John Furrier I agree FB is winning here and they saved 1.2b over 3yrs on open compute; they are building their own hw

Mainframe->Client/Server->Cloud = huge underestimated disruption. But nice that it's commonly accepted now.

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All of us #clouderati in 2008-2011 all saw this ..glad to see the Cloudscalers and other pioneers really take on big leadership positions in cloud. 2014 is the Year of the Cloud

Randy Bias Saw it, yes. Put it into presentations and talked about it publicly?

Yes. I just think I should probably get more credit for really driving that point home. Now it's widely accepted, but I'm not sure that folks know I've been talking this way since at least early 2010, maybe earlier.

Tim Crawford Many of us know that. It's not really a secret. :)

I for one got that from you and it took me a few iterations!

still too many who equate virtualized DC with Cloud.

Again, we keep coming back to the operational aspects of OpenStack. When do we hear the voice of the operators?

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They're too busy operating to comment. Try back later. :)

cloud foreign I want operator representation in these sorts of panels. There is a clear disconnect between what enterprise understands the complexities to be and what is reality.

John Furrier that is good one; I want to hear the voice of the customers

Feedback, UI, UX type information should be easy to find with an open community.... but are we not listening or do operators of OpenStack stuck "Not knowing what they don't know?"

Let's wrangle up some operators. Do you have any people in mind?

No, OpenStack is not a reference implementation. It's code and APIs. A reference implementation is an implementation or deployment.

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also API compat does not speak to whether they use "all OpenStack components"

Randy Bias Agreed. Is Nebula including ALL of OpenStack or just cherry picking? That sounds like lock-in.

I am quoting @tylerhannan http://twitter.com/tylerhannan/status/428699824586629120

If APIs are going to change in #Openstack community makes that decision. If others decide to change their API they do so at whim #OEForum

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It's a tautology that is ignored at one's peril

It's a shame that MercardoLibre is not here today; they have been running OpenStack since Austin ; see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKN0UV58rnQ

MercadoLibre.com Talks About their OpenStack Production Deployment - YouTube
MercardoLibre Cloud Team members discuss how they are using OpenStack in production for their e-commerce website in Latin America at the OpenStack Summit Hon...

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that is a great video and the early adopter devops mindset is huge to the culture of this model

Philippe Nicolas

Sure good use case, I saw them at #OpenStack Summit in Hong-Kong, good ambassador

HPE Cloud I believe their entire team is four people. Very talented engineers.

I am quoting @prasadis http://twitter.com/prasadis/status/428676915465969664

RT @blueboxjesse: Deployment of #OpenStack isn’t the largest hurdle. Long term operations is the real challenge. #OEForum

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I agree op-x can be very challenging as scale kicks in. cloud is biopolar: easy to get in (low cap.op-x) but hard to scale (high cap/op-x) #priceofsuccess

Jesse Proudman IMO, the bigger question is how do you fix it when it breaks? IaaS becomes so tightly integrated w/ core business functions, impact of downtime becomes comparable to impact of data center failure.

I am quoting @RyanFloyd http://twitter.com/RyanFloyd/status/428678847546920960

Big Data and mobility are the two big uses cases for #OpenStack -new apps new infrastructure #OEForum

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@prasadi Does #Docker solve the portability issue?

Randy Bias I don't think you understand what docker is. Might want to do your homework.

HPE Cloud @randybias Interesting, the pitch they gave last week seemed to indicate something more than it is; will spend more time

Is #OpenStack really a Private Cloud solution or is there a public play? Focus so far seems to be private #oeforum

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We are seeing from our data it's mainly Hybrid (private basically). Public is very real possibility but going full hyperscale requires unique hw/sw requirements - that is why Mark Zuckerberg showed up at OpenCompute Hyperscale is hard

I would add that hyperscale concepts are bleeding into the enterprise fast; meaning the ones who abstract away the complexities for the enterprise will win it all. HP, VMware, IBM, Rackspace, Microsoft

I am quoting @jgershater http://twitter.com/jgershater/status/428675971181338624

Dont make the mistake of migrating current workloads to #OpenStack need to implement cloudy workloads #OEForum

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@hpcloud, IMO there will be significant interest in OS by public CSPs but right now, AWS is "good enuf" - the issue is #OpenStack clouds have to be better than AWS

OpenStack has no place in public cloud. 82% of all deployments are private.

John Furrier that is consistent with our views and data.